Gun Laws around the world

[Cracker]

Logday.. I seriously wonder how a swiss person would get their hands on a US rifle.
The SIG556 is made by SIG Arms.. the US SIG. The actual Sturmgewehr 90 (PE90, SG550) and SG551 (carbine version) are made by Swiss Arms.. the "real" SIG.

A sig 556 is only a AR-ized SG550 or SG551, made in the US.

If you serve your time in the military, you get to keep your service rifle. After you have served an X number of years as a nationalguard, you get to choose if you still want your weapon (for a symbolic amount of money.. )
If you want to keep it, it gets neutered to semi auto.. if you dont want to keep it, it goes back in the stock.

Every enlisted guy under 45 years of age has his own private weapon at home, with 50 rounds of ammunition (in a sealed tin, that is checked yearly) It's not to fight, just to get back to base in case of an mobilization.
There are however, serious doubts in switzerland, and they want to change the rules. There are a lot of problems with legal weapons over there.. Family dramas etc..

Well, guns don't kill people.. people kill people. Guns are just tools to make it more easy. I am a sportshooter, but im for better gun control. Not by making it harder on the shooters, but by making it harder to own them.
I personally own a Sabre Defence XR41.. basically a match HK91, with a lothar walther heavy barrel, MSG90 triggergroup, special recoil buffer etc.

[LogDayFreshHots]

Hi Cracker... Sorry for the confusion on the SIG556/ SG550. Wasn't intentional. I was working from memory and recalling a documentary on gun control that showed footage in Switzerland of a 'national event' where people were qualifying with their rifles. This was back in the late-1980s or early-1990s if memory serves me right and since I messed up on the weapon ID Im probably messing up on this too! But I recall men and women of various ages attending, all with the national service rifle of the time. These weren't uniformed soldiers. These were the average every-day Swiss citizens all armed with their nations service rifle. Basically 'every citizen a soldier'. The U.S. equivalent to this would be the Civilian Marksmanship Program or, CMP. I'm sure things have changed since that footage aired and like I said, someone in that area or in Switzerland itself is going to know more about the laws there than I.

Unfortunately human nature is an individual matter. Recently here we had an incident where a man waiting in line at a local bank thought he saw another customer cut in line in front of him. That wasn't the case as the second guy was with someone and had gone back to his car to get something and then returned to join his friend. Anyway, the guy was offended and made a scene about the other supposedly cutting in line. After explaining everything, the offended customer simply couldn't let it go after having over-reacted. So once outside he began exchanging words with the other customer again. Words were exchanged and the offended customer produced a handgun and shot the other customer one time in an effort to settle the arguement. In the end, the shot customer thankfully survived. The customer with the handgun was arrested and charge with attempted manslaughter.

Most of us who carry concealed know a firearm is the last resort and only when threatened. Its not for settling arguements, getting ones way, or massaging a bruised ego when one opens their mouth before putting their brain in gear. Great responsibility comes with carry a firearm. Unfortunately, like inept soldiers and police, there will be those who no matter how much training and classroom study is provided will simply never measure up. They of course are the 'bad seeds' that make it harder for everyone else. As the saying goes: 'One Bad Apply Spoils the Bunch!'

[fdsman]

I live in the US, specifically California. Around the gun forums I call it the Democratic People's Republic of Commiefornia, because It's one of the worst states to live in terms of gun laws.

10 round magazine limit for rifles and pistols. No "evil" features such as pistol grips, collapsible stocks, flash hiders, grenade launchers, high capacity magazines (without a bullet button*). Basically all the fun stuff is banned. And especially, no full autos. I think it's ridiculous that even in free states where full autos are allowed, it has to be made before may 1986 to be legal. Look up the Hughes Amendment and how it was illegally passed if you really want to get angry.

Granted compared to other countries where you can't have firearms at all, it's better but given that we have the 2nd Amendment I think we should be allowed to have whatever we want provided we are law abiding citizens. This topic really opens up a big can of worms and everyone's legal philosophy about it is different.

Despite all this I'm thinking of getting a field or rack grade M1 Garand from the CMP, buy some parts from Fulton Armory and build a Tanker M1 Garand. A slightly shorter Garand originally intended to make it easier to get in and out of armored vehicles but canceled before it was massively produced due to the war ending.




*bullet button is a cover that goes over the magazine release that prevents you from releasing the magazine using your finger. You must use a "tool" i.e. a bullet.

[rationtin440]

The tanker garand was an interesting weapon, although I never fired one my uncle served in a nike-ajax and then a nike-hercules missile squadron and he told me they started out with a few beat up tanker garands for perimeter defense before switching to M2 carbines and eventually the M-16A1 rifle. The recoil of the tanker garand was considerable due to the shorter length of the weapon. Of course if I was on perimeter security of a nike base in say October 1962? I'd be willing to trade the asthmatic stopping power of the M2 carbine round for the >30-06 to stop a spetsnaz intruder.

[Treesuit]

I've seen the shorter M1 tanker rifles. They are quite remarkable and powerful. I ran into a guy some years back in my home town that had both the M1 and the tanker version and he went to rfile competitions with them to do competition shoots. I must say the tanker version is a bit heavier and with it's shorter rifle length a bit harder to hold than tha regular M1 but he could put an amazing shot group into a paper target with a tanker M1.

As for gun laws, I will agree that CA is by far the worst state to own firearms. Washington state is not too far behind,

[dirtbag]

As for gun laws, I will agree that CA is by far the worst state to own firearms.

I agree, thats why I'm moving to Oregon in a few years!

[ak70g2]

The Schnitzel governor don't like guns?

[rationtin440]

Wow guys, I must say that the more I read in these forums about some other states' and other countries' gun laws, the less I have to complain about here in Massachusetts. Considering that I can carry a concealed handgun (it better not be visible), high cap mags that are already here, can't get them from out of state.

[fdsman]

I've seen the shorter M1 tanker rifles. They are quite remarkable and powerful. I ran into a guy some years back in my home town that had both the M1 and the tanker version and he went to rfile competitions with them to do competition shoots. I must say the tanker version is a bit heavier and with it's shorter rifle length a bit harder to hold than tha regular M1 but he could put an amazing shot group into a paper target with a tanker M1.

As for gun laws, I will agree that CA is by far the worst state to own firearms. Washington state is not too far behind,

For a somewhat carbine length rifle (although no where near today's standard for a carbine) The fact that it can still hold really tight groups is absolutely amazing.

I know most people don't like to see garands in anything but a wood stock but here's a little something I whipped up in paint.

Standard M1 tanker in wood


M1 Garand standard length in a synthetic stock


concept Tanker in a synthetic stock