EVERY medical sterilised product has an expiry date on it.. (not really an expire date, but more like "guaranteed untill")
It's required by international law..
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Sure, someone may one day kill me with my own gun.
But they'll have to beat me to death with it because it's empty.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
But they'll have to beat me to death with it because it's empty.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
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First of all, greetings from Mexico - we are stuck in due to te VulcanoCracker wrote:EVERY medical sterilised product has an expiry date on it.. (not really an expire date, but more like "guaranteed untill")
It's required by international law..
Cracker,you are talking about the laws at your country!
Every country has it´s very own law!
All German Bundeswehr dressing material never had any expiring date on it as the Bundeswehr runs their own rules. They now have it.
We have in Germany an "medical product law" and I´m a supervisor in it to keep it.
This is only valid for commercial purpose.
As you can eat an expired yoghurt at home, you also can use expired medical equipment for your own.
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Be very carefully with "quick clot" and any other clot dressings. They are not "for fun". Don´t use them for a simple bleeding!! They are made to control un-controlable bleedings to prevent victim from to die. They are a "last resort" only!!!!!!!!!
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These days all EU countries, the US, canada, Russia and other have those laws.
Maybe not in some 3rd world countries, but every modern country that I know of has them.
Quick cloth things are also not to be used by "regular" first aid / CLS persons. Atleast, there isn't any in the CLS kit.
They are quite dangerous anyhow, even for dying persons.
Maybe not in some 3rd world countries, but every modern country that I know of has them.
Quick cloth things are also not to be used by "regular" first aid / CLS persons. Atleast, there isn't any in the CLS kit.
They are quite dangerous anyhow, even for dying persons.
Sure, someone may one day kill me with my own gun.
But they'll have to beat me to death with it because it's empty.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
But they'll have to beat me to death with it because it's empty.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
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Cracker, I am not trying to argue with you, I joined this site for an exchange of thoughts and ideas with like minded people, with that said my US Army field dressings do not have an expire date on them and as for quik clot not being a First Aid Kit Item I have the contents list of a Marine Corp First Aid Kit for you, note the second item on list
USMC Individual First Aid Kit (IFAK) CONTENTS:
(1ea) Pouch NSN 8105-09-000-2725
IFAK A1 Component Individual First Aid Kit - NSN 6545-01-539-2740 (includes the following items):
(1ea) 3.5 oz. Quikclot Packet - NSN 6510-01-499-9285
(2ea) TK4 Tourni-Kwik Self-Application Tourniquet 40" - NSN 6515-01-542-7696
(2ea) "H" Compression Bandage w/8" x 10" Ab Pad - NSN 6510-01-540-6484
(2ea) Primed Compressed Gauze 4.5" x 4.1 yards - NSN 6510-01-503-2117
IFAK A1 Minor First Aid Kit Component NSN 6545-09-000-2727 (includes the following items):
(5ea) Adhesive Bandages Sterile 2" x 4-1/2" Sheer (Box of 50) - NSN 6510-01-514-4518
(10ea) Adhesive Bandages, 3/4" x 3" - NSN 6510-00-913-7909
(2ea) Triangular Bandages, 40"x40"x56" Non-sterile - NSN 6510-00-201-1755
(1ea) Combat Reinforcement Tap 2" x 100" - NSN 6510-01-549-0927
(1ea) Burn Dressing 4" x 16", Water-Jel - NSN 6510-01-243-5894
(8ea) Bacitracin First aid Antibiotic Ointment, USP - 1 Oz
(1ea) Povidone-Iodine Topical Solution USP 10% 1/2 floz. - NSN 6505-00-914-3593
(1ea) Katadyn Micropur Purification Tablets - 30 pack, Sodium Chlorite - NSN 6850-00-985-7166
USMC Individual First Aid Kit (IFAK) CONTENTS:
(1ea) Pouch NSN 8105-09-000-2725
IFAK A1 Component Individual First Aid Kit - NSN 6545-01-539-2740 (includes the following items):
(1ea) 3.5 oz. Quikclot Packet - NSN 6510-01-499-9285
(2ea) TK4 Tourni-Kwik Self-Application Tourniquet 40" - NSN 6515-01-542-7696
(2ea) "H" Compression Bandage w/8" x 10" Ab Pad - NSN 6510-01-540-6484
(2ea) Primed Compressed Gauze 4.5" x 4.1 yards - NSN 6510-01-503-2117
IFAK A1 Minor First Aid Kit Component NSN 6545-09-000-2727 (includes the following items):
(5ea) Adhesive Bandages Sterile 2" x 4-1/2" Sheer (Box of 50) - NSN 6510-01-514-4518
(10ea) Adhesive Bandages, 3/4" x 3" - NSN 6510-00-913-7909
(2ea) Triangular Bandages, 40"x40"x56" Non-sterile - NSN 6510-00-201-1755
(1ea) Combat Reinforcement Tap 2" x 100" - NSN 6510-01-549-0927
(1ea) Burn Dressing 4" x 16", Water-Jel - NSN 6510-01-243-5894
(8ea) Bacitracin First aid Antibiotic Ointment, USP - 1 Oz
(1ea) Povidone-Iodine Topical Solution USP 10% 1/2 floz. - NSN 6505-00-914-3593
(1ea) Katadyn Micropur Purification Tablets - 30 pack, Sodium Chlorite - NSN 6850-00-985-7166
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Also, we had a welcome home party for a doctor in my wifes unit returning from Iraq(I was elected bartender and cook) a few years ago when the Army stoped the use of quic clot. He told me that in Theater they were still using it and that the order was stupid. He told me that the order came out from guys getting blood clots I think he said to the lungs (mind you it was doctors talking in medical terms alot of which I don't understand). But he said they ignored the order because when they use it the guy is going to die if they don't stop the bleading anyway so it is worth the risk...
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sorry your stuck in Mexico(lol,I saw the pics), hope it blows over soon, my wife is do to come home from Iraq soon and she says that guys are stuck in Kuwait do to the Volcano also, I hope it don't hold her up I am ready for her to be home
housil
sorry your stuck in Mexico(lol,I saw the pics), hope it blows over soon, my wife is do to come home from Iraq soon and she says that guys are stuck in Kuwait do to the Volcano also, I hope it don't hold her up I am ready for her to be home
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Hmm, strange Mtime.
I'm not taking it as an argue at all
But I work in the (elderly) medical sector at the moment due to my education.
This might be a difference between civil and military then. Like the dates on ration, without expiry date.
I'm not taking it as an argue at all
But I work in the (elderly) medical sector at the moment due to my education. This might be a difference between civil and military then. Like the dates on ration, without expiry date.
Sure, someone may one day kill me with my own gun.
But they'll have to beat me to death with it because it's empty.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
But they'll have to beat me to death with it because it's empty.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
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Nice chat... Keep intel flowing, please! Also, do you have an manual for
'cuz hunting ain't catch and release...
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We came back with a delay of 5 days - but met the Kman´smtime7 wrote:
housil
sorry your stuck in Mexico(lol,I saw the pics), hope it blows over soon, my wife is do to come home from Iraq soon and she says that guys are stuck in Kuwait do to the Volcano also, I hope it don't hold her up I am ready for her to be home
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I don't want to hijack this thread, but is anyone here who is involved in some kind of Search and Rescue, Emergency Response, something like that? I need really bad information about confined space acces, rope access, rope rigging and aero-medical evacuation/ helicopter hoist operations. If someone have some informations, manuals or know something like that, I want to borrow, buy or trade intel for his/her items of choice.
'cuz hunting ain't catch and release...
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Small update to Housils post, regarding the Bundeswehr:
In 2009/2010 the Bw started to reorganise the basic medical training for non-medical units.
Today in basic training recruits are being trained as "Einsatzersthelfer A" which roughly mean "Combat First Responder A". There they learn basic stuff but also more advanced things like using Tourneqets, QuickClot, Israeli Bandages and the usage of Morphine injectors.
Once a soldier is ready for deployment he visits the "Combat First Responder B" training where he'll learn more advanced things like infusions or intubations.
It's still only basic stuff but usually you have medics pretty close so These First life-saving things can save lifes and stabilize the wounded untill a real medic is inbound.
Fortunately medical training for standard soldiers has been improved and is now more suited for Afghanistan.
In 2009/2010 the Bw started to reorganise the basic medical training for non-medical units.
Today in basic training recruits are being trained as "Einsatzersthelfer A" which roughly mean "Combat First Responder A". There they learn basic stuff but also more advanced things like using Tourneqets, QuickClot, Israeli Bandages and the usage of Morphine injectors.
Once a soldier is ready for deployment he visits the "Combat First Responder B" training where he'll learn more advanced things like infusions or intubations.
It's still only basic stuff but usually you have medics pretty close so These First life-saving things can save lifes and stabilize the wounded untill a real medic is inbound.
Fortunately medical training for standard soldiers has been improved and is now more suited for Afghanistan.