Dutch rations value?

[Cracker]

Hi there,

I am farely new to the whole MRE stuff, as I only ate them at work and with outdoor sports (milsim and hiking)
It's very easy for me to get "phased out" dutch rations.

The rations have a shelflife (best before) of 3 years, but the army restocks them after 2 years. So all the rations that are still 1 year garuantied edible (offcourse much longer) are available for me.

I have the Dutch 24 hour rations (lunch+breakfast) and the meal cans (hoofdgerecht, hauptgericht)

One 24 hour ration + 2 cans makes 1 complete dayration.

My question is,

How much are these worth on eBay etc. because I see german EPAs going for 20 to 25 euros (!!)
I think that's to much, maybe it's good for collectors, but for eating.. that's just way to expensive.

What is a reasonable price for

- 1 meal can

- 1 packed 24hour ration (breakfast and lunch)

- Complete dayration (24h pack and 2 cans)

And would anyone be interested in buying some stuff?
I can supply all flavours with a good date (best before 7/2010 to 11/2010)

Some flavours:

Capucijners met tofu (Marrowfats with tofu)
lasagna met rundvlees (Lasagna with beef)
Indische kip (Indianchicken (rice with curry and chicken))
Chili con carne (No translation needed)
Hachee met aardappelen (Hashed beef with potatoes)
Linzen met rundvlees (Lentils with beef)
Capucijners met varkensvlees (Marrowfats with pork)
Zuurkool met worst (expired date.. !!) (Sauerkraut with sausage)
Macaroni met gehaktballetjes - kip (Macaroni with chicken meatballs)
Macaroni carbonara (Original name.. but it's damn tasty...... unless you have to eat it cold.. like frozen.. in a fox hole.. )

If there is a lot of interest I'll get me the meals and put them in the trade area.
Just post your preferences or needs around here, I am willing to send it overseas at a reasonable price.

The shipping will probably cost me the most..

And KATO.. MREJAP.. if you read this, I'll send you a set off 24h ration + 2 cans of chili con carne for free, if you only pay for the shipping costs I'd be honoured to have you talk about the Dutch rations... Dhe are Delisius, rilly !

PS.. The first one that promises to make a good review with pics and explanation will get the set (24h+2cans of chili) for free.. and only pays for the shipping costs

[Cracker]

I put it in the general forum because it wasn't about the trade part yet, only a value check and finding out if people are intrested for a groupbuy

[housil]

My question is,

How much are these worth on eBay etc. because I see german EPAs going for 20 to 25 euros (!!)
I think that's to much, maybe it's good for collectors, but for eating.. that's just way to expensive.

EPa´s had an unlimited shelf life, Dutch ration have a shelflife of "only" 3 years.
EPa´s are made from real military food itmes, current dutch rations are filled with regular civilian supermarket items


(Don´t note that EPa entree, this was just for size imagination)

EPa´s contain two entree´s allways, Dutch have non.
EPa´s have real bread, Dutch not...

But you are right, €20-25 is pretty expansive. But that is consumer price, not collectors! I paid for my last case of 1990 EPa´s €6 - vor a case of 4, not a single one!! And a 1990 EPa is still edible for sure

[Cracker]

Yep, the contents changed a little (your pic has the same amount off brotbelag (don't know how to say it in english?) but the contents differ.. Today the pack contains kippencrème (chickenpaste), tonijnpasta (Tuna paste), Luikse stroop (Apple sirup... a real treat with the biscuits!), Schwarzkirschkonfiture (German cherryjelly), ardennerpaté (Ardennepaté) and crèmepaté (creampaté)

But basically it's still the same.

I have to admit that I prefer the EPa over the Dutch ration, but you are false about the entrees.

The EPa is a 24h Breakfast+lunch+dinner kit.. The Dutch one is only a Breakfast and Dinner kit, and they are handed out with 2 canned entrees.

The whole idea behind this is to let people choose what they eat (moral thingy..)
Bút in reallife they just pull a box open, and you'll just eat what you get.
I have to say that the Dutch meals are easier to heat (harder can) and I love the pull tab instead of having to destroy the whole pack with a knife (teribly difficult when it's cold)

I also like the enormous variaty.. but in reallife your stuck with about 5 meals..

The EPa only has a small variaty off entrees, the Dutch have over 12 meals.
So that's arguable.. Also the Dutch army got the german roggenschrot as a test, and it's cancelled away.. most of the people didn't like it.. It's more of country taste actually, roggenbrot isn't a big seller in the stores aswell, only with old people..
I like it very much though (love it with a thick slice of spek (bacon?) or Dutch young cheese)

Instead of that the Dutch biscuits are rich of fibers (like roggenschrot) and that is what the hartkeks lacks..

On the moment there are a lot of tests with US made MREs, and I think selfheatingmeals is the future food source for the military..

Is it actually true that the "EPa" was discontinued by the BW since 2006?
That's a shame.. But I still have hope.. there is a guy offering 2007 dated EPa's on eBay??????

Do you know a place where I can find reasonably priced "fresh" EPAs? (dated 2005 or younger)
Or are you willing to swap one?

If I'd have to make a ration.. I'd make a brilliant ration.. but everything is about calories, reports and money these days..

[housil]

Is it actually true that the "EPa" was discontinued by the BW since 2006?
That's a shame.. But I still have hope.. there is a guy offering 2007 dated EPa's on eBay??????

Do you know a place where I can find reasonably priced "fresh" EPAs? (dated 2005 or younger)
Or are you willing to swap one?

As long as the Bundeswehr is on mission like Afghanistan, the "Bundeswehr Verpflegungsamt in Oldenburg" is packing EPa´s every day to have allways, if I remeber right, 500.000 in stock.
Watch that EPa movie over here. They say how many exactly they make every day.

The only source will be Ebay or some Army stores, but not for a "bargain"! You wouldn´t get any fresh EPa´s even if you were in the Bundeswehr...
You need to have a buddy with the troops to get them as you like it.

[Cracker]

My best friend is stationed at Kempten (Gebirgsjäger ofcourse), but only get's the EPa leicht things with dried food (I really dislike the dried foods..), in Afghanistan they were issued with US MREs aswell..

By the way, I thought lots of people would be interested in the Dutch rations, I'll offer them on the forum for the price I have to pay to get them for, and even practically giving them away does not attract people....

And why is it so hard to find "fresh" EPAs, even when they're phased out from the Bundeswehr..
Here in the Netherlands is a very large supply of rations (you just have to know who to ask)

[Treesuit]

Cracker,

I'd be interested in some. More or less a trade across or some other deal. Please PM me and we'll talk.....Thanks

[housil]

And why is it so hard to find "fresh" EPAs, even when they're phased out from the Bundeswehr..

The Bundeswehr do nut "dump" or sale the EPa´s to "surplus" stores, they feed them to the troops when they are getting out of storage time! Every barracks had it´s "EPa day". All "old" EPas were opened and served to the troops as regular lunch. See that EPa-movie here I mentoined before. You will see that too. Its in German, so should be not diffcult for you to understand. I guess will answer many questions to you
All the EPa´s you will find at e.g. Ebay, are out of the barracks for some reasons we all don´t want to know.
There is one single companie all over Germany sale EPa items, see www.dauerbrot.de or ask member German_EPA . He is running his own store
All current EPas (since ~2000) are made for missions only and will be send to Afghanistan, feeding our troops.

[housil]

More or less a trade across or some other deal.

Btw, Kman loaded a clip up at youtube about EU customs control at the airport.
You will see why it´s impossible to get food from non-EU countries into EU

[Cracker]

Impossible?

"Unlikely"

How does MREjap get's EPAs, english, aussie, french, spanish etc rations..
Japan is the pacific as well..

But I'd have to agree it might not be the risk. I am willing to ship the stuff to you (it's only send back right? no fine (Bußgeld?))
But it would be a bummer if it wouldn't arrive because the shipping costs are pretty high I believe

Pretty stupid rules, because the EU rules are about the world's thougest quality rules in the world, on the hygiene and animal desease control field.. all slaughtert meat has to be checked