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fdsman wrote:

Bypah wrote:comrade
what would you say or write they are so close minded that they will never understand.

Closed minded? This is probably the most hilarious thing I've ever read. While you remain willfully ignorant to the facts of the slaughter of those who dared to oppose the communists in the soviet union, you continue to support policies and ideals that have already failed.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

I suppose you'll tell me with your advanced knowledge of "sovietology" that these are all capitalist, imperialist lies and that the grand idea of communism never spilled a drop of blood to achieve it's goals.

I've asked this question in the past, and I'll ask it again, why don't you move to Cuba or another communist state where this rule has already been established where your ideals are in practice, instead of aiding in the conversion of the United States to a socialist, and eventually communist state? Last time I asked this question many years ago, you dodged it and simply asked me in response "why don't you move?" And my answer to that is because I love what ideals this country original stood for, and I fully intend to support them as long as I'm still breathing. I do not hate that of which has made this country great, why would I want to leave such a place where my ideals have come to pass?

I can't understand - AT WHAT HERE the SOVIET UNION AND COMMUNISM? ? ? Can simply there is nothing because to tell? And the facts any aren't present? Therefore you remember the past. Were going to discuss Ukraine, and the majority of reproaches, attacks and complaints about the USSR

Fusilier wrote:1. How is that whoever tells something against Russia suddenly becomes russofob and nazi?
2. In Ukraine, Russia is clearly the aggressor. We can see same patterns of military actions in eastern Ukraine as we saw in Crimea: diversion groups, spec-ps etc. Sample: https://twitter.com/euromaidan/status/4 ... to/1/large. There is no need to list true and false USA actions. It reminds my of cold war, when Western countries criticized Soviet Union for human rights, wars, many other thins and Soviet Union always had only one answer: "Oh yeah? But You are Lynching Negroes!"
3. As a citizen of country which was 50 years occupied by Russians I voted for joining EU and NATO and I am fully confident in NATO reactions to Russian aggression. I mean not only military operations, but also economical, energy sanctions, dirty propaganda etc. We see every day.
4. I am Lithuanian NOT Latvian. We don't have tanks as We don't need them: tank is an offensive weapon and We're not planing to invade our neighboring countries

1 . The russophob it not that who criticizes Russia, and that who sees in it only bad, blames it for everything, hates, is afraid. Who touches you? Live quietly in the Lithuania, it on figs isn't necessary to us! That you endure everything so!
2 . Where the facts that Russia is guilty that the part of normal people didn't want to live in one state with fascists and separated? As though themselves Lithuanians moved if power in the country was seized by a small group of freaks of fascists who tortured captured police officers, burned down with Molotov's their cocktails, pressed tractors, shot? And this a lot of bandits began to issue criminal orders! Answer this question! ! ! What did you see in the Crimea? You know about a situation only that that show you on TV. And show you only that you need to know. Your opinion form for you. Whether activists of the Right Sector which came to the power showed you as yesterday, shot people in Lugansk? Showed as to Ukraine 150 soldiers of the American mercenaries arrived? Showed as there the day before yesterday the director of CIA arrived? Showed today's fights in Slavyansk when the Ukrainian military shot at peace people and bombed the airfield seized by people? Likely it to you didn't show because you shouldn't know it
3 . To us to spit on your economic, power and other sanctions! We laugh at them! Europe depends on Russia, and not the reverse. The electricity from which your computer works is developed at power plant from the Russian gas or nuclear fuel. Your houses are warmed with the Russian gas, your cars go by the Russian oil. The furniture is made from the Russian wood. Each time getting into the plane, remember that his shovels in the engine are made of the Russian titan. And after all we too can enter sanctions, such from which to you it becomes very bad. Russia can stop all this and one increase of energy cost to enter Europe into deep crisis. Or to cancel sales of the production for dollars, and to sell it only for rubles. And the economy of the USA will fail because their dollar is only paper as toilet. But we, much to my regret, don't do it. Yet we don't do.
4 . About My God, Lithuania? Even worse.I sympathize I thought what not so everything is bad also you from Latvia. But it appeared that is even worse. Yes, you have no tanks. But not because you aren't going to attack anybody but because for your country which makes nothing and where there is no economy, it is expensive. To you expensively to contain three tanks and to pay a salary to three tankmen. And your owners don't give you Tanya. You will break still them. For NATO you only a change and you will throw as soon as possible. Itself think, why you are necessary, what NATO from you advantage? There is no advantage. Country that poor....

prado67 wrote: Naturally anybody never here will support me because the West is grown up on hatred to Russia.

This is MRE Forums, we are a world wide community of peoples with the same interests: Military food rations. We like to talk about food, outdoor cooking, sometimes camping, tenting etc...

We welcome everybody from all over the world, no matter what color, religion, political system, education...

This is what we call "tolerance".

If do you ask for "political support", you better look for a different place.

housil wrote:

prado67 wrote: Naturally anybody never here will support me because the West is grown up on hatred to Russia.

This is MRE Forums, we are a world wide community of peoples with the same interests: Military food rations. We like to talk about food, outdoor cooking, sometimes camping, tenting etc...

We welcome everybody from all over the world, no matter what color, religion, political system, education...

This is what we call "tolerance".

If do you ask for "political support", you better look for a different place.

No, I don't ask any support. It isn't necessary to me. It was simply interesting as a subject of Ukraine shine at you. Now I see that speak to you and inspire. Any fact or the proof it wasn't presented, only words. You receive information from your newspapers, news, etc., only that allow to read that to you that for you solved that you can read. And I receive information from relatives in different areas of Ukraine, friends who serve in army, and it is simple because nearby I live with Ukraine. But to you is more visible certainly! ! ! Tomorrow will tell that Russia won the Moon and you will believe. Because simply blindly you trust everything that speak, and didn't get used to think. Sense to argue more I don't see.

prado67 wrote:

fdsman wrote:

Bypah wrote:comrade
what would you say or write they are so close minded that they will never understand.

Closed minded? This is probably the most hilarious thing I've ever read. While you remain willfully ignorant to the facts of the slaughter of those who dared to oppose the communists in the soviet union, you continue to support policies and ideals that have already failed.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

I suppose you'll tell me with your advanced knowledge of "sovietology" that these are all capitalist, imperialist lies and that the grand idea of communism never spilled a drop of blood to achieve it's goals.

I've asked this question in the past, and I'll ask it again, why don't you move to Cuba or another communist state where this rule has already been established where your ideals are in practice, instead of aiding in the conversion of the United States to a socialist, and eventually communist state? Last time I asked this question many years ago, you dodged it and simply asked me in response "why don't you move?" And my answer to that is because I love what ideals this country original stood for, and I fully intend to support them as long as I'm still breathing. I do not hate that of which has made this country great, why would I want to leave such a place where my ideals have come to pass?

I can't understand - AT WHAT HERE the SOVIET UNION AND COMMUNISM? ? ? Can simply there is nothing because to tell? And the facts any aren't present? Therefore you remember the past. Were going to discuss Ukraine, and the majority of reproaches, attacks and complaints about the USSR

You clearly didn't read the link I provided, as well I was addressing Bypah, your constant hammering of soviet propaganda isn't really appreciated, nor is it indicative of a free mind making decisions by itself.

prado67 wrote: Naturally anybody never here will support me because the West is grown up on hatred to Russia.

HAH! LOL! And Russians/Slavics don't grow up on hatred of the West?

You're so trapped in your own propaganda!

Fdsman, actually ALL Slavic states except Russia and Belarus are/ trying to become/ have individual agreement with NATO and EU, so not all Slavs hate the West

And Prado67, I am sorry, but today You have clearly have fallen for Your own country's propaganda: American mercenaries and dollar - toilet paper? Seriously? On my cable I have opportunity to see more than 50 channels from around the world and on Internet I can find tons and tons of information about this topic, so how is that only Russian mass media denies Russian military involvement in Ukraine?

Here's a good article about Ukrainian topic:
http://www.the-american-interest.com/ar ... real-deal/

housil wrote:

prado67 wrote: Naturally anybody never here will support me because the West is grown up on hatred to Russia.

This is MRE Forums, we are a world wide community of peoples with the same interests: Military food rations. We like to talk about food, outdoor cooking, sometimes camping, tenting etc...

We welcome everybody from all over the world, no matter what color, religion, political system, education...

This is what we call "tolerance".

If do you ask for "political support", you better look for a different place.

Tolerance? Аааа... tolerance! ! !
Tolerance is when in England in the face of people killed the person, and then the murderer in the face of all beginnings to distribute интервъю and at it took it интервъю instead of detaining?
Or tolerance it when visitors from Africa, the Arab countries filled France and dictate now there the conditions and violence?
Or it when one of Islamic leaders in England openly calls tolerance for jihad and destruction of Christians in Europe, and with him can make nothing?
And tolerance it can when the terrorist Breyvik shot about hundred people, and to him for it distances only twenty years of prison? And prison as hotel - two or three rooms, the Internet, exercise machines! As hotel.
Or tolerance it it depends in Norway suggest to allow officially sex with small children? ? ?
And the European tolerance it can when at parents in Scandinavia select children at any slander on parents from envious people, at the slightest pretext? Juvenile justice.
Or at tolerance it it depends in Greece police threw stones, beat sticks?
Or it it depends in Latvia and Estonia nazi legions which were at war together with Hitler, on his party allowed to revive tolerance?
Now Europe gradually decreases in population because you already norm had homosexuals and lesbians, from these marriages there are no children.
Or tolerance it when abnormal homosexuals adopt the child and he has two fathers or two mothers? Though for you it is already normal!
I am proud that Russia is recognized as the worst country for homosexuals in Europe! Such smelly tolerance isn't necessary to us! At us at the child is both the father and mother, the prison is similar to prison where serve sentence instead of on hotel, for seduction of children to sex prison and many other things. We don't want such tolerance! ! ! ! !
Soon this your tolerance also will ruin Europe.

Fusilier wrote:Fdsman, actually ALL Slavic states except Russia and Belarus are/ trying to become/ have individual agreement with NATO and EU, so not all Slavs hate the West

And Prado67, I am sorry, but today You have clearly have fallen for Your own country's propaganda: American mercenaries and dollar - toilet paper? Seriously? On my cable I have opportunity to see more than 50 channels from around the world and on Internet I can find tons and tons of information about this topic, so how is that only Russian mass media denies Russian military involvement in Ukraine?

Here's a good article about Ukrainian topic:
http://www.the-american-interest.com/ar ... real-deal/

Dollars are printed then when they at America come to an end, the press simply turns on and print how many it is necessary. Every minute the debt of the USA grows, the financial bubble is inflated. On the Internet and on the television you watch channels in English I зыке or on yours, but you don't look in Russian or Ukrainian? You see only that opinion which to you show.
And Russia and the Belarus-only countries which have own opinion. Long ago not the secret that the European Union stopped being the independent. It is a pocket doggie of the USA which barks on their team. The European Union without team from the USA even is afraid to breathe independently.
IF RUSSIA ATTACKED UKRAINE, UKRAINE WOULD not be IN SOME DAYS! ! ! As stories about attack of Russians and stories about that that our army in readiness near border don't meet.
I don't see more sense to argue on a situation in Ukraine. You don't want to see the facts, persistently you close eyes. More precisely you can argue, tell as artful Russians attacked Ukraine, but courageous and courageous Ukrainians with the last bit of strength protect the country, but I won't support or disprove any more discussion.

prado67 wrote:(...) but I won't support or disprove any more discussion.

We really appreciate this.

You are free to stay and read/write about world wide food.
If do you have issues with western tolerance, nobody force you to stay.