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Awesome pic and great info everyone! Those aid bags look very similar to what we had in desert storm, and i recall seeing the German box-type ambulances as well. I'd be very curious to see how NATO medical systems compare to Chinese PLA medical units. I've read that they are getting much better but they use alot more herbal and "traditional" medical techniques than the west (go figure, ) of course they seem alot more self reliant than NATO in many respects.

norge wrote:i have this us army/marines kit
its called M3:


cheers ken

I'd like to have an triangular muslin bandage or two, to use as headscarf, but I think that will cost me the postal fees 10x than bandages itself...

Not sure how much of this training u folks get housil now that the cold war is over, but with the threat of terrorist attacks, does you unit train regularly for NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) casualties? The town next to me here in Massachusetts purchased a mobile decontamination unit with federal preparedness funds, and they practice with it a couple times each year. From what I saw of the bundeswehr ambulances in desert storm (and please correct me if bundeswehr is no longer the term used, I AM a cold war veteran after all ) they seem better made and more able to stand up to harsh conditions than our hummer ambulances. Of course for the sheer heart racing feeling of claustrophobia, nothing beats the M-113 ambulance while buttoned up for NBC training! btw not sure if i asked u housil but were/are u in the military? I went in after high school in 1982 and got out for good in 2001 after a couple breaks in service.

Germans still get enlisted (9months of "Wehrpflicht") and the Bundeswehr is still the right name.. Luftwaffe = airforce, Bundesmarine = Navy, Heer = Army..

The Germans use multiple ambulances..

The MB (mercedesbenz) ambulance.. the M113 aswell (might be replaced by now), the Wiesel, the Duro III (just found out) and the Patria 6x6 I believe aswell (it's called the Luchs or Fuchs in Germany) and the BV206 snow/desert vehicle

Atleast those are the ones that I've seen in Krefeld here just over the German border..

The Dutch military uses the MB aswell.. and the YPR medical, Patria medical (6x6) and will be replaced by the Boxer (Looks like a Stryker)

The Dutch army also has older DAF trucks with medical containers, of which some can be used a a large ambulance.
(They are used to drive somewhere in convoy, and make an emergency hospital..) The Germans and Americans probably have something similar..

Thanks Cracker. I really hated the M-113 tracked ambulance, but since I'm only 5'3 I suppose it could be worse huh? (I think people like myself, Bruce Dickinson, and Ronnie James Dio probably suffer less from claustrophobia than taller folks, ) I lucked out though because I only had to deal with the M-113 for a few years until my unit was disbanded after 1991, then I was in a unit which had the hummer ambulance and it was like nite and day (still hated NBC system though).

Please forgive my memory, my unit was disbanded in early 1990, before desert shield----I hate getting old!

Eastern Europe to the US, do you copy?

Not even a Pararescue/Navy Corpsman here?

Eastern Europe, out!

rationtin440 wrote:Not sure how much of this training u folks get housil now that the cold war is over, but with the threat of terrorist attacks, does you unit train regularly for NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) casualties? The town next to me here in Massachusetts purchased a mobile decontamination unit with federal preparedness funds, and they practice with it a couple times each year.

During cold war, we had especially NBC-civil protection units beside Red Cross, THW and fire department:


Their vehikle color was "orange"



The "ABC-Zug" was introduce in 1970s to deal with all kind of NBC-attacks against the civil.

After the end of cold war (and due to budget cuts ) they moved the "ABC-Zug" into the fire departments. Their vehikles are now red too, but still there to deal with NBC stuff. In case of an e.g. industrial accident with unknown, toxic agents or at least, in case of an terroristic attack.

I had my last NBC- schooling in 2007.

rationtin440 wrote: From what I saw of the bundeswehr ambulances in desert storm (...) they seem better made and more able to stand up to harsh conditions than our hummer ambulances.

As crackerr said, we use different types of ambulances at the Bundeswehr:


Same like civilian ambulance (Rettungswagen)


Mercedes G wagon ("Wolf") with ambulance shelter (same equiped like civilian ACLS ambulance)


M113


Inside




We trained together with Bundeswehr and Red Cross in case of ...


Unimog ambulance with 4 stretchers (same stretchers and support as our civili protection 4-stretcher ambulances)


inside


APC "Fuchs"


Inside, same equipment like civilian ACLS ambulance

I know ours are very reliable, but don´t know how to compare to a Hummer. I guess the Hummer is also an good military vehikle.

housil wrote:

Didn´t know about CERT, that´s a good thing!

Check this link www.citizenscorps.gov

Nice pics housil! That M-113 brings back memories i recall being very thankful that i was not very tall. Also the M-113 interior pics make it look bigger than i recall, mebbe because we did not stow our gear very neatly. As i said the Unimog was a much more "comfortable" vehicle to work with. I was kinda hoping that our military would've figured out a way to develop a medical vehicle that had a system for "mask free" interior environment during NBC, since the mask/hose system makes the task of giving even basic medical care twice as demanding, but oh well, i guess it beats the alternative!