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Bypah wrote:

housil wrote: To encourage the peoples to prepare them self's, is a confession that the government failed.
Taking care for the citizens is a law and State duty. They MUST. So lucky us we have that well organized, non profit, non private civil protection and one of the best EMS in the world (for free as every body over here has insurance)

Olli, you couldn't had said it better....
In Europa people expects the government to be there for them, like a steward that protects their resources for their benefit

The mentality is different in Europe than here in the U.S.
Here we are used to be "free" to do whatever we want with minimal government involvement.
That is why the survivalist sub culture is gaining strength here because people believe the government simply protects the powerful and not the average Joe.
Plus add to that the private corporations literally control everything. Is you have the $$$ to pay.

Believe it or not Bypah, every person acts in their own self interest. You will not find a single person who thinks of others before themselves if they are in a lesser circumstance.

The prepper movement does not believe the government protects corporations, they believe the government protects the government, and with such recent discoveries as the NSA spying on everyone, it isn't such a bad idea to distance yourself from their view and control.

The world runs on money. Even in the Soviet Union, for example the scientists that worked at the Chernobyl nuclear plant had better services than your average worker, access to better medical care, a private amusement park, and far better living accommodations. They were rewarded for their superior intellect and contributions to the country. The Soviet leadership knew well that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" was not going to produce an economy that could hold equal with the US.

I would really like to know why you believe corporations are the entirely evil, corrupt figures you believe they are; and why the government is an infallible source of goodness that exists only to protect the people, and has never done anything wrong to anyone.

Name_not_found wrote:What about trapping, or say bow and arrow or atlatl?

Traps are only allowed to catch "pests" like mice and rat´s. Bigger animals like a racoon (where they are) must be caught in alive traps by the offical ""county hunter" because they must keep the "animal protection". If do you find this "curious"?! We are not allowed to "kill" a wasp as even they are under "animal protection"...

Specifically 2 questions:

-Can a deputy hunter use a bow or non firearm to perform their duty?
-Is trapping under the same blanket of rules?

No - bow´s, crossbow etc. are all illegal poaching. Shooting an animal with "just" an arrow, will hurt the animal for sure and torture it, but may does not kill it. That´s "cruelty to animals".

No - bow´s, crossbow etc. are all illegal poaching. Shooting an animal with "just" an arrow, will hurt the animal for sure and torture it, but may does not kill it. That´s "cruelty to animals".

Im a bit surprised by that answer.

I assume that is the "official opinion", is it yours as well housil?

I feel its all about who is using the tool, and a bow can surely make a clean humane kill on most any game animal.

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Sorry for all the questions i am genuinely curious
How is the animal used, does the hunter keep and eat it, and the hide/horns etc or is there a special way to deal with that as well?

Name_not_found wrote:
Im a bit surprised by that answer.

I assume that is the "official opinion", is it yours as well housil?

I guess my skills in shooting a bow aren´t enough.

Sorry for all the questions i am genuinely curious
How is the animal used, does the hunter keep and eat it, and the hide/horns etc or is there a special way to deal with that as well?

No need to apologize, that´s what is forums for

I have a (flight paramedic) coworker, before he was a butcher and is a (deputy) hunter also. So he shoots "animals" and makes sausage etc from them, also sale the meet in his own butchery.
Other hunters sale them to restaurants etc.
Keep them to eat I guess is the less.

Here in the USA, hunting is very common, just about anybody can do it, there are restrictions on certain types of weapons, some training is required etc.
The hardest thing is finding available land to hunt.
However, game taken under sports hunting cannot be sold, to anybody !
You can give meat to another, but no money can be involved...
I used to hunt deer, birds and small game, haven't gone in years now
Getting old, I guess...

You can't hunt with a bow in the UK but we can hunt with firearms. A shotgun certificate is quite simple to get, if you want to use rifles you need an FAC (Firearm Certificate). To get your FAC you need to join a rifle club, have range tuition and apply to the Police who check you out. If you follow the A, B,C's its straightforward enough although it will take you at least six months. With your FAC you can legally own pretty much what you want but no semi/fully automatic weapons. At my local gun club some members fire things like .50 cal sniper rifles on the 1000 yard range.

The pistol ban was a bad knee jerk reaction by the government and I didn't shoot for over a decade but you can own black powder pistols and and some revolvers with an extended barrel length.

Thanks for everyone's imput! I know this can be a very sensitive subject to discuss, especially in places where itis very difficult to own firearms legally. I'm curious if anyone here from the UK might be able to shed some light on this: I recently read an article on-line (which I unfortunately did not think to copy so I could share it) about an interview with Bruce Dickinson from Iron Maiden, in which he expressed disgust at the strict firearms laws in the UK, and the article also said that he mentioned that it is his belief that everyone has the right to protect him/herself. I have read and heard stuff over the years which makes me think that he strongly believes in personal freedom, including self defense and preparedness, but also responsibility for one's actions.

rationtin440 wrote:responsibility for one's actions.

How many problems of humanity could be solved by embracing this simple statement?

To paraphrase Robert Heinlein:


"An armed society is a very, very polite society."

On a side note, crossbows were illegal for hunting in california, until very recently.
I think it was because they were seen as a poachers weapon (by ignorant city folk, who unfortunately make the laws)

With the advent of compound bows, I think the crossbow issue is passé.

Thanks for replies noderaser and dirtbag! Another thing I have noticed from listening to Maiden since 1985, they seem to get the idea of personal responsibility, because many of their lyrics mention it, especially how politicians need to take responsibility for their actions, and we all know that Bruce is not shy about sharing his views, whether in an interview or on a concert stage, that just makes him even more respectable in my book----with his views, if he was born and raised in the states we'd call him a conservative! Anyway, here in Massachusetts, the law states that a person may only hunt with a crossbow if he/she has a documented physical handicap which makes it difficult or unsafe for him/her to hunt with a compound bow---- you can't make this stuff up, it is too weird, but that's Massachusetts for you. Of course how a handicapped person could operate a crossbow any easier than a compound bow is beyond me, but I suppose some college-educated politicians spent literally minutes debating the issue before settling on the policy.