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Something all sharply became silent....

I seems you are alone with your opinion...

Well, I only say what is based on history, geopolitics and the geography of the area.
Many people here only say and know what they hear on TV and the internet. Many of the news are biased to"favor" the west. They try to hide the fact that there was a in fact a legitimate opposition against the ukrainian government that eventually ended being overtaken by the ultra right wing neofascist groups (Trizub, Right sektor etc.). This is why the situation started and the russians, having already a bad deal with fascism decided to take over Crimea. Is history repeating itself all over again, BUT here they don't see that and the worst part is when you see influential politicians defending the "lesser evil", in this case the neofascist right.All because the need "allies" against the russians. Same thing they did with the mujahadeen in Afghanistan in the 80's and we saw how it ended.
What is interesting is that the situation is being sold to the people as the "new cold war" and there are even others than are beating the drums of war, again.
In reality is not the concern of the U.S. and as I mentioned earlier how they criticize the russians when they have a nasty record of interventions that span almost all of the 20th century.
Peace!

Bypah wrote:Well, I only say what is based on history, geopolitics and the geography of the area.
Many people here only say and know what they hear on TV and the internet. Many of the news are biased to"favor" the west. They try to hide the fact that there was a in fact a legitimate opposition against the ukrainian government that eventually ended being overtaken by the ultra right wing neofascist groups (Trizub, Right sektor etc.). This is why the situation started and the russians, having already a bad deal with fascism decided to take over Crimea. Is history repeating itself all over again, BUT here they don't see that and the worst part is when you see influential politicians defending the "lesser evil", in this case the neofascist right.All because the need "allies" against the russians. Same thing they did with the mujahadeen in Afghanistan in the 80's and we saw how it ended.
What is interesting is that the situation is being sold to the people as the "new cold war" and there are even others than are beating the drums of war, again.
In reality is not the concern of the U.S. and as I mentioned earlier how they criticize the russians when they have a nasty record of interventions that span almost all of the 20th century.
Peace!

I don't understand, where are you getting your information that isn't on the internet or TV? Do you live anywhere near Russia or eastern Europe? You act as if you have some insider information, but in fact all you're doing is taking the side of the Russians and demonizing the protester movement.

Let me pose another question to you, Russia occupied East Germany for 41 years, do you believe they have fair claim to that land as well?

How about the southwestern states, and Mexico's claim to them as Aztlan?

I'd like to know what the number of years you must have occupied land for, to claim infinite and eternal ownership of said land.

fdsman wrote:
Let me pose another question to you, Russia occupied East Germany for 41 years, do you believe they have fair claim to that land as well?

I doesn´t want to go too deep in detail, but:

At the end of WW2, Germany was divided to the 4 Allies due to the Yalta Conference. East Germany became the "Sowjet Occupation Area" (or "SBZ" for the German word "Sowjetische Besatzungszone"). Lucky us, we in south Germany got the Americans as occupants.
This occupation did NOT take 41 years! The occupation ended with the foundation of the two, sovereign States of "Federal Republic of Germany" (West Germany) and the "German Democratic Republic" (East Germany) in 1949.
So the occupation took only 4 years.
After that, East Germany joined the "Warshaw Pact" in 1955 and "the Russians" kept being there to protect them from the evil West
The same why we had the "Western Powers" ove here until the end of the cold war in 1989 when the USSR felt apart.

Putin also compared the annexation of the Crimea with the reunification of East and West German in 1989. There is only one huge difference. In East Germany, it was the peoples that demonstrated to get rid of communism and it was the East German government that decided it.

All that Crimea story is just an action as Putin said, he want´s that Russian become a "global power" again. He was scared that the Ukraine would join "the West" as so many other, former east countries did before. So the Russian will loose all their Black Sea Fleet.

Or long story short - what did the US when the USSR decided to put nukes on Cuba in 1962?
Now it´s vice versa - the Russians are scared about the American rockets at their borders. Let´s hope Putin is as smart and smooth as Kenndy was. We had the cold war over here for 40 years and feed up with it...

Crimean occupation resembles me German occupation of Czechoslovakia: Hitler, like Putin, also wanted to defend German speakin population Sudeten. Everybody speaks about 58.5% Russian population, but nobody mentions how Russians became majority in this peninsula. The answer is off course brutal cleasings. Crimea untill XX c. was mostly in inhabited by native Tatars, but Stalin deported them denying their right to come back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportatio ... ean_Tatars) and inhabiting there russians, making military bases etc. That's how You make an Enclave. Soviets made many such eclaves in the buffer zone near the Iron curtain to inflict possible future conflicts (Konigsberk - Kaliningrad, Transnistria, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Nagorno-Karabakh and others).
Now the etchnic questions are always loudly disputed, but Crimean occupation is an international law question as Russia clearly broke Budapest agreement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_M ... Assurances). In conclution I hope that Crimean occupation will show to those western countries who still think that You can communicate with Russia as it was normal state that You just can't negotiate with a drunk bear.

Fusilier wrote: In conclution I hope that Crimean occupation will show to those western countries who still think that You can communicate with Russia as it was normal state that You just can't negotiate with a drunk bear.

Thank you for speaking out loud that thought.
I´m sorry to say, our current government is made from peoples that grew up in former East Germany and got all their education, character etc. from a communistic system made by "big brother Russia".

Add in that Putin has an advanced case of "Short Mans Syndrome" ...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... 20Syndrome

dirtbag wrote:Add in that Putin has an advanced case of "Short Mans Syndrome" ...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... 20Syndrome

Putin is an ex-KGB officer who vowed to takes revenge for the Eltsin era. Never underestimate the Russian and the Chinese. Maybe they're not very technologically advanced, but they have some advantages.

They are bullheads