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I am atheist, but if people want to believe in god, it's their own choice.
I see religion as a tool to keep people from doing wrong things, because they believe in heaven and hell.

But, religion can be used to move unsophisticated people to fight other people from rivelling parties.
Religion itself isn't wrong, but it's simply used to brainwash people.

A normal, religious, citizen.. is not a problem at all, if theyre happy with it, I don't care.
But, in the mid-east, they tend to use it as a weapon of mass destruction.

Religion should only be carried out by people that are sane, clever, and leave other people alone.

For example;

Ask a little kid in Palestine wat a jew is. He'll never ever say it's an religion. He'll definetly say it's the enemy.
Ask a little israeli what a muslim is..

There are high priests that simply tell people what to do, and people that already lost everything, will believe strongly in those persons. It's not religion itself.. It's like a rifle..

A rifle isn't dangerous when used properly, and it makes you feel better, self confident, and makes you feel safe.
BUT.. if your a stupid guy, that never had school, that feels bad about some other guys.. you might do something stupid.

That's why it's still the religion that causes these things. Because both sides THINK they are better then the other side.
No even mentioning that the israelis came to Jeruzalem because it's their sacret land..

In Christianity the center is Jesus Christ. Christ never causes evil.

Westborough Baptist Church.. several ministries..

Every religious group has their extremists..

The problem is that people are brainwashed "in the name of god", and again, I'm not talking about the normal believer that goes to church on sundays.

I'll consider that response as a joke and as that you have nothing more to say that's reasonably serious.

Again, as I mentioned before Extremists are not religious people. You could Not refute that because it's true.

Your Answer = Westboro Baptist Church. Scratch my head.

For the past two thousand years Christians have been rescuing the world from very serious calamities.
Atheists have done good things too. But if you go around and talk about the family run neo-far fetched
nazi plagaristic and very unscriptual Church tyrants who believe in murder - there's a problem.

You need to work on your debating skills.

Jay, you can't go wrong with good ol' Fred Phelps, won't ya? He's a little cutie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maeNk2itmMk

Putting the jokes aside (I don't know if you understand, this is an literal translation of romanian expression "lasand bancurile la o parte"), I think you need to get your minds in the head. No offence, but bozo's like this are non-existent in Europe, your president drifted away with grace, politically corectness goes nuts and I think you're dissatisfied. So, clean your backyard. Trash the bozo, start some grassroots movements, straight your economy (I think Housil and EPA can give a helping hand, they're Germans) and maybe John McCain is not a bad idea for president.

jfko6 wrote:In Christianity the center is Jesus Christ. Christ never causes evil.

Umm, the 'Crusades' comes to mind...
Then there's the 'Inquisition'...
Maybe Christ never causes evil, but people sure do, in his name!
Back to rations, please!

dirtbag wrote:

jfko6 wrote:In Christianity the center is Jesus Christ. Christ never causes evil.

Umm, the 'Crusades' comes to mind...
Then there's the 'Inquisition'...
Maybe Christ never causes evil, but people sure do, in his name!
Back to rations, please!

I knew somebody would say that - try it.

WRONG!

Back to the original point - Extremists are not religious God faring people. The Inquisition was another example of Religious Extremism. Those Spanish Inquisitors wielded political power to repress the Gospel. Naturally, it does not exist anymore but evil tyrants do in various forms.

If one tries to say that religion is the cause of all the problems in the world. That is a false statement. Clearly one could look at the Vatican and see all the good Pope John Paul II has done for the world in the name of the Gospel. So much so - what's his name Tony Blair became a Catholic. Anything else are false premises. A classic example is how PPII installed the importance of solidarity for his people in Poland (I'm not Polish btw) and thwarted communist repressors from the evil of communism (a backwards form of civil government).

So you see that you don't have to look very far to dispel the myth that religion is the cause of war - it isn't.

We say people are yes (I said that) which was the point I keep repeating. But under that 'guise to kind of misconstruct the war in Israel as two factions hell bent on killing each other. Well that's not quite it by far. You can't trust the PLO or make peace with them. They are terrorists period. When word got out of the Palestinian propaganda machine and what they were teaching their children the Vatican withdrew all funds and support for that region. Textbooks that are anti-Hebrew and so forth.

The Evil of Radicalism - Torture in the Name of Religion? Extreme Video. Combined total conclusion is that these are not men of humanity therefore, irreligious.


I hope you all get it know. Because Religion does not cause what you see in the video. There are plenty of decent Afghans.

ak70g2 wrote:Jay, you can't go wrong with good ol' Fred Phelps, won't ya? He's a little cutie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maeNk2itmMk

Putting the jokes aside (I don't know if you understand, this is an literal translation of romanian expression "lasand bancurile la o parte"), I think you need to get your minds in the head. No offence, but bozo's like this are non-existent in Europe, your president drifted away with grace, politically corectness goes nuts and I think you're dissatisfied. So, clean your backyard. Trash the bozo, start some grassroots movements, straight your economy (I think Housil and EPA can give a helping hand, they're Germans) and maybe John McCain is not a bad idea for president.

Obama is on his way out. If you look to CNN you won't get the whole story by far. This Health Care Debate is turning out to be a debacle - one he can't recover from. It might be safe to assume he's just going to be a one-timer.

Err, can we drop the 'Fanaticism' , and get back to what the Forum is about ???

jfko6 wrote: It might be safe to assume he's just going to be a one-timer.

May God hear you. I have personal experiences with bad presidents. Ours, Baselu' the Sailor, made here total mess. Road construction is crazy, specially in the NW part of Romania, where an Bechtel company made a veeery nice freeway in 5 years. Is 42 km long! In 5 years! So, is just an example of how good works things in Eastern Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechtel#Romania