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Re: Best Military Costume Evar!

Post by Cracker » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:57 pm

But still, americans will never learn it.. milled steel is nice, but stamped steel is nicer.. :mrgreen:
And yes, I'm a G3 (Pronounced as Gay-Dry) fan. And no, I'm straight.. :mrgreen:

But everything in 7.62x51 NATO is nice, 7.62x63 is nicer.. and 7.62x67 is even nicer.

7.62x39 is a nice try on being nice, but isn't that nice.... :mrgreen:

M14/M1A: Clunky, heavy, and overpowered. Essentially a
Garand tarted up with a removable magazine, in a half-baked
attempt to adapt a 19th century rifle design philosophy to
the mid-20th century. Most often named as favorite infantry
rifle by people who never had to hump a 10-pound
wood-stocked rifle with lots of sharp protrusions and no
collapsible anything on a three day exercise, or try to make
it through a firefight with the standard battle load of five
20-round magazines.

H&K G-3/HK-91: Ergonomics of a railroad tie. No bolt release,
and a locking system that requires three men and a mule to
work the cocking handle. Fluted chamber that mauls brass,
and violent bolt motion that dings the brass that didn't get
mauled too badly by the chamber. Stamped sheet metal
construction, yet just as heavy as a milled steel M14.
Safety lever that requires unnaturally long thumbs, and a
trigger pull that feels like dragging a piano across a
gravel road with your index finger. Favorite infantry rifle
of Cold War nostalgics and third world commandos.

M-16/AR-15: Underpowered varmint rifle burdened by a crummy
magazine design. Nasty direct-impingement gas system that
poops where it eats. High sight line, flimsy
alloy-and-plastic construction. Generally favored by range
commandos, tactical disciples, military vets who have never
fired anything else for comparison, and Brownells addicts
who a.) enjoy spending three times the cost on the rifle on
bolt-on accouterments, and b.) never have to use their rifle
away from a dry, sunny range.

Make your pick. :mrgreen:
Sure, someone may one day kill me with my own gun.
But they'll have to beat me to death with it because it's empty.

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Re: Best Military Costume Evar!

Post by mtime7 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:06 pm

I know everyone wants to trash the m16, my dad who is a Nam vet and Gulf vet, would be first in line, but a quick trip to the local range here and you would find multiple 25th infantry vets just back 2 months ago from deployment, most of whom have more than 1 and almost all will tell you that the m4 gets it done just fine.. Factor in that many countries issue the m16 including the US and Isreal (War mongers) ,and don't forget US Special Operations that can pic any weapon available in the world, and it can't be just range rangers..
The m16 has many faults but it holds its own with any infantry weapon in the world....

my collection contains 4 ar15 variants including one in 308 ,2 AKs , one CETME, 3 Garands, 1 M1 carbine, 1 03a3,and I feel well armed with any of them when I play range ranger :)

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Re: Best Military Costume Evar!

Post by dirtbag » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:13 pm

I'll take the M-14/M-1A... :D
I have humped it.
I qualified 'Expert' on it (got the Medal) :mrgreen:
You always carried more ammo, for the M-60 (and me!) :wink:
It NEVER failed to go boom, regardless of dirt or muck... 8)
If you aimed, one shot worked very well! :wink:
Having said that, I did most of my shooting 'over there' with 6-five inch guns, then later a 3 inch and a 40 MM and twin 50's...
There is NO problem that cannot be solved with enough firepower! :mrgreen:
PS: Shot 'Expert' with a beat up m-1911 colt .45 (got the Medal) , no stamped sheet metal............
3 tours in Viet Nam. '69, '70, '71...
Armchair Commando, my ass! :evil:
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Re: Best Military Costume Evar!

Post by mtime7 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:16 pm

Thats right, my dad swears by the m14 he went through his training with, then he got to the shootin war and they gave him an m16 that he had never even seen before..

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Re: Best Military Costume Evar!

Post by Cracker » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:37 pm

There's nothing wrong with an M16, except for the caliber.
An AR10 (Dutch design :mrgreen: ), Oberland OA10, XP308, etc etc are fine ARs :mrgreen:


5,56 is simply underpowered.. light, and penetrating.. but underpowered..
And 7.62 is overpowered.. I know.. but I'd rather have to much power.

Recoil can be fixed with an compensator..
Sure, someone may one day kill me with my own gun.
But they'll have to beat me to death with it because it's empty.

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Re: Best Military Costume Evar!

Post by ak70g2 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:39 pm

This is my pick. The damn AK. This is put in Romanian dictionary at definition of "reliability". Gents, the latest from the Cugir Factory:
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Re: Best Military Costume Evar!

Post by Cracker » Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:51 pm

quoted from an interview with Mikhail Kalashnikov (designer of the AK)

Reporter: Why hasn't the AK been updated ever since? (hoping on a "because it's the best" reply)
Mikhail: But we did
Reporter: Oh, I didn't know. What has been changed in the recent years?
Mikhail: We swapped the wood for modern plastic. We have to keep up to date.

(Basically giving the awnser the reporter was hoping for, the AK didn't had to be changed for all those years)


The AK is a good design, but I prefer a SIG 55x series (550, 551, 552, not the 556)
They are basically western AKs (same system) made by the swiss. Very accurate, much to pricy, but very nice.
To bad that they are in 5,56.

AKs are reliable, but not very accurate. Not really due to the design, but because of the caliber. 7.62x39 is simply not a "match" cartridge.. And the sights are to close to eachother, having less space to line out the rifle while aiming.
Sure, someone may one day kill me with my own gun.
But they'll have to beat me to death with it because it's empty.

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Re: Best Military Costume Evar!

Post by dirtbag » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:34 pm

And with the plastic stock, you can really hear the springs when you shoot !
Very distracting! :roll:
:lol:
The AK series is a good, foolproof design, good for spraying. Not so good for accuracy, but enough bullets on target eventually. Only takes one.
I'd still take a M-14/M-1A.
It's what I trained on and used.
And I have one (M-1A, that is) :mrgreen:
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Re: Best Military Costume Evar!

Post by Bypah » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:36 am

ak70g2 wrote:This is my pick. The damn AK. This is put in Romanian dictionary at definition of "reliability". Gents, the latest from the Cugir Factory:
It looks like an Izhmash AK-107 5.45 or like the AEK-971 5045 x 39 by Degtyarev... :P
My father is a Vietnam vet and he was trained with both M14 and M1A , old school style. :mrgreen:
He considers the M-16 a piece of crap..... :lol:

I know they are not accurate but I go for the Ak's anytime. :wink:
When it comes to pistols....I like a good .45 ACP from a ol' reliable M1911 or a .50 Desert Eagle :mrgreen:
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Re: Best Military Costume Evar!

Post by DangerousDave » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:43 pm

Testing, 1,2,3 :D
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