Israeli commander: 'We rewrote the rules of war for Gaza'

[Cracker]

Nope JFKO your starting to take it personally.
Extremists áre religious people. The problem is that other people, that have the trust of the "religious" people, tell them things, that "is the word of god".

You simply won't get it, because your a normal religious type, that doesn't have any extremist ideas.

Extremists are simply dumb.. (censored) people.. that believe in something, like Allah or it might even be the flying spaghetti monster.. but the thing is, that they are brainwashed, because they get told it's the will of god.

Every sacret book can be interpreted on 1000 ways. Because, as far as I know, in every books is written "you shall not kill or harm others".

That those extremists don't believe in the normal book, doesn't change the fact that they are religious.
They simply believe the wrong stuff, and you can't tell me that the israel conflict isn't about religion..

And if you're trying to say that, please awnser the question, why the israelis came to that part of the world after ww2..

It's nothing personal against you, and I'm not against religion itself, but I simply think there are to many people on the world that simply don't play by the rules of their book. That's why I think the world would be much better of without any form of religion at all. And yes, I know that you will dissagree with me, and I know your a believer, and I'm totally fine with that.

But there are loads of wars caused by religion.. (or "races" like jews, ethnic bosnians (muslims), etc)
If all of those people would be atheist, it would've been atleast 1 less stress point to cause a conflict.

[jfko6]

Cracker - the only point that remains you say is this: "Extremists áre religious people."

These Islamic radicals are the most dangerous people. They are not pious or conscientious.
So they cannot be religious in the Theological sense of the word. The most important concept
of religion in Christian Tradition is of moral virtue and moral justice toward God the Creator.

Stalin, Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden.

So what your trying to tell me is that Saddam Hussein was a religious guy?

Are you going to try and tell me yes because of little bit of brainwashing here and there
a little bit of this behind the ears justification of nine-eleven. Did you see the guys leg nearly severed in the video?

That's the definition of Insanity, Not Religion.
These are not men of conscience therefore not religious or Holy Men.

Misguided approach does not equal = causality of any conflict.

They shout that stuff yes... but get a bullet in the head right were it belongs.
Two just wars are stilling being fought by the United States and dozens of other countries against godless men, not religious men.

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Update

After I looked over this post again I think I see what the confusion is -- choice of words.
I spoke about this type of ideology in my previous post.

I wrote about the concept of Religious Extremism under the Inquisition post.

But there is no such thing as an "extremist being a religious person," as Cracker wrote. You can't justify that by saying the guy was brainwashed in the desert. That is a fallacy and illogical as I mentioned above.

[Bypah]

Simple,RELIGION IS THE OPIUM OF THE MASSES....I'm just citing a historical phrase by the way. There are extremists in every religion.

By the way you mentioned that the PLO are the terrorists ( because they wanted their own land??? hmmmm) maybe in the 60's but they don't control anything in Palestine anymore. The PNA only control the northern part of Palestine and are pro western (FATAH).The ones that are "hardcore" are HAMAS which controls Gaza.

[Bypah]

Cracker - the only point that remains you say is this: "Extremists áre religious people."

These radicals are the most dangerous people. They are not pious or conscientious....

But there is no such thing as an "extremist being a religious person,"

Hmmmm...I disagree with that one....Even here we have the right wing-ultraconservative-paleocon-religious zealots too like this one who supposedly speaks " in the name of God". He needs to go and hide in ToraBora with his bearded brother....

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People like him and plenty of others use the excuse of a religion to perpetuate evil around the world thinkig that their way is better than others....Again, RELIGION IS THE OPIUM OF THE MASSES.....where the goverment can't control you ,they use religion to get you......

[Cracker]

JFKO, you pull christianity and saddam into the discussion, I didn't start about those two..
Read my bad english very carefully

[jfko6]

Simple,RELIGION IS THE OPIUM OF THE MASSES....I'm just citing a historical phrase by the way. There are extremists in every religion.

By the way you mentioned that the PLO are the terrorists ( because they wanted their own land??? hmmmm) maybe in the 60's but they don't control anything in Palestine anymore. The PNA only control the northern part of Palestine and are pro western (FATAH).The ones that are "hardcore" are HAMAS which controls Gaza.

Bypah - According to the U.S. State Department and U.S Dept. of Homeland Security the PLO are a foreign terrorist organization - Bone Head!
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm

They like to blow up buses with children on them. They are not freedom fighters.

[jfko6]

JFKO, you pull christianity and saddam into the discussion, I didn't start about those two..
Read my bad english very carefully

Cracker according to everything you said (your logic) Saddam Hueesin, Osama Bin Laden are all religious men.

Cracker - I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. I think you mean well. But under your logic this is exactly what you've implied.

Of course Hussein was a bad dude who raised the Koran during his trial. That doesn't make him righteous.
Therefore, not religious {by the proper use of the word). Evil, more likely; a deceiver. We talked about Religious Extremism above.

I think your starting to see my point. And I see yours. I respect your view. Perhaps this all boils down
to semantics and can be somewhat confusing.

But we know that three major religions are not a catalyst for starting war. A terrorist is a terrorist.
We can't scorn radicalism and say that's religion - it isn't. Drug dealers more likely.
And abusers of women. Call it what it is but don't call it religion.

[Cracker]

Saddam Hussein not, Osama is.
I respect your point of view, and yes, I agree with you that terrorists aren't true believers, bút it's their view on religion.
If we think it's wrong or right, it doesn't matter, they are extremely religious in their eyes, and that's the thing that counts.

And a normal christian, muslim, jew, budhist, hindu etc won't start a war. But people use religion as an excuse, and the whole middle eastern conflict started because israel wanted to have their promised land after world war 2..

So if they weren't religious, they wouldn't have had a claim on that land, and there wouldn't be any problem at all..

So both parties there are simply fueled by religious problems with eachother, and it's only making the situation worse around there

[jfko6]

Saddam Hussein not, Osama is.
I respect your point of view, and yes, I agree with you that terrorists aren't true believers, bút it's their view on religion.
If we think it's wrong or right, it doesn't matter, they are extremely religious in their eyes, and that's the thing that counts.

And a normal christian, muslim, jew, budhist, hindu etc won't start a war. But people use religion as an excuse, and the whole middle eastern conflict started because israel wanted to have their promised land after world war 2..

So if they weren't religious, they wouldn't have had a claim on that land, and there wouldn't be any problem at all..

So both parties there are simply fueled by religious problems with eachother, and it's only making the situation worse around there

OK. I can see that there is a change of viewpoint there. I think we can both agree than. These guys use religion as a mask, a cover-up for their
criminal activity. In the name of... we talked about that previously.

[Cracker]

It's not a change of view it's religion.. it's simply their way of life, because they believe in that