New war at south Russia

[Bypah]

Found more....

"Under the Georgia Border Security and Law Enforcement Program-GBSLEP,the US provided the Georgian border guard ,customs,MOD and other security agencies with COMM equipement,vehicles(Hummers?! ),helicopters with spare and repair parts for transport and patrol,surveillance and detection equipement ( to check who? I wonder... ) and computers ..."
GlobalSecurity.org

Wow! guys if you read further It makes you question ,
Why the US invested so much on this lil' country??? why didn't the other NATO countries did the same???

Georgia, as I said in earlier posts is a strategic hub of oil and chemical refineries that's why the germans took it in WWII.
The BTC oil pipeline runs thru Georgia and is the only one not in russian control.It brings oil from the Caucasus fields to the Black Sea but it was moved to go to the Baltic Sea and then a detour to the West...interesting no?? Out of russian control and thru "pro-western" countries (Ukraine,Georgia and the Baltic states)...

The georgians also want to revive the "Silk Road" and they are right in the crossroads! Plus,Georgia is to the north of Iran!!

After all of these posts "somebody" is going to tell me that "I'm a breach in "OPERATIONAL SECURITY" ....lol At least they're not pics....(inside joke!)

All of this is putting this conflict into a historical and geopolitical perspective guys.....

"Nothing happens for free!!"
Anonymous

Peace!!

[housil]

Everybody grumbles about increasing oil/gas/prices!
Most oil is at "far east" and they know it
They have something we don´t just want - we need it!
Russia is buying all oilfields around them, from Finland down to - right the Caucasus to increasing their (political) power and to "blackmail" other countries!!!
Remember my earlier words: They take what ever they want, don´t care how to get it.

The hugh difference is, Russia use violence and troops, the US start with human aid to win their hearts first.´
If you had won someones heart, you don´t have to oppress his mind
As me and my parents back in post WW2 were happy to been "conquered" by american candy, chocolate, ice crem, music and way of life than by russian fist, rape, sibirian concentration camps and communism - there is a new age now.
The cold war found a new way -> oil!

As the US was upset in 1960 when former Soviet Union was preparing installing rockets at Cuba, right in front their driveway - we should accept that Russia is concerned about western presence at Georgia, right in front their driveway...
It´s the continuation of the "old east/west-conflict".
"We" (the western world) won the first round. Communistic countries discoverd the western life style for them also. They also want to get "rich" like we are (house, car, vacation, 3 meals a day...) But they don´t play with "western rules" of buy/sale/making profit. It´s still the old russian mentality of "let´s just take it away from somebody else". That´s my concerning!

As we had russian troops in our country for over 40 years, I´m more than just glad to grew up on the western side of the fence!

[Bypah]

Good point there housil....

You understand it,because you as many europeans lived it!!!!
I understand it ,because of studying it,reading about it (extensively...lol)

but... there's plenty of people they don't get it and they see it simply as "Russia ,the bully,US the savior" , is the lesser of two evils....

Is like the two biggest boys in the playground trying to rule it!!!!

Europe moves cautiously because they have lived the experience of countless of wars in their soil,but the US hasn't had a war totalling ravaging their territory to the ground like WWI -WWII. Yes,they lived the experience by helping the rest of the world in those times and their were blessed for that so was the rest of the world...

Again,, diplomacy is the key!! not the big stick!!!!!!1

Peace!!

[bishopmarine]

very well put housil!

[aquarius]

Bishopmarine is right. We both have opinions and sometimes they differ. It's like the taste of combat rations! Some like it, some don't.

But some things I mentioned are plane facts. As I mentioned before, starting a war can not be done at an instance. There are always 'indications of attack' that are being noticed by the opposite party. Everybody with a military rank higher than sergeant should know this.
The world is run and ruled by intelligence services and they must have noticed the build up of forces on both sides of the Georgian/Russian border. If not so, than they are not worth anything and should be expelled of asap. But this is not the case!
So, the players of the game knew what was coming, and they took their bets. Playing a game, some you lose, some you gain. The outcome isn't always clear.

I just wonder why the media, the journalist, and even us, the people, don't seem to ask the right questions to the politicans and military leaders. Why do we take for granted the explanations by our governments and military guys when we know they will never tell us the truth??? Not before and not after a war, any war. We are supposed to rule them, and they should not rule us. They service us, not the other way around.
Recently I saw on tv a spokeswoman of John McCain speaking about the coming victory in Iraq. I sat and wondered "what %#$@ victory??". If you fight a war for 5 years, lost some 4200 soldiers and perhaps a million citizens, how in the world can you speak about a victory that still has to come? When is this victory gonna happen? In 1, 5, maybe 12 years? How long can you go on? Untill all human resources are killed? After 5 years there is no sign of getting it better in Iraq. (The same applies for Afghanistan, where some 1500 Dutch troops are fighting -sorry, giving humanitarian aid- in Uruzghan.)
There can never be a victory anymore in Iraq because of the enormous losses in lifes, equipment and money. The US has practically gone broke by this war! This McCain figure was once upon a time himself a military man, so he should know victory in Iraq is non existent. However, he declared a sort of 'eternal' war. (Sounds a lot like the German Nazi's who proclaimed war forever in the Abendland). How can there be a living soul voting for his presidency? I simply don't get this.

No victory in sight after 5 years. The US almost broke. 4200 soldiers dead, many thousands crippled for life. A million citizens dead. These are not opinions, just plain facts. The interpretations of these facts gives opinions.

The Russians surely are not better than anyone else. I did some low grade military intell during the Cold War. I am not a fool and still have a some insight in the intell community (No I am not a member!). I realise what the Russians are cappable of. Still I think it is wise to try to solve things by talking, not by carrying the Big Stick, especially when the other guy can hit harder...

Okay, my next posting will be someting far more interesting. I just received my new digital camera, and it is time to take some pictures of a Czech ration, and some Dutch rations. Please have a few days patience.

[bishopmarine]

TBILISI, Georgia - In a bid to portray Russia as the aggressor in last month's war, Georgia has released recordings of what it says are two intercepted cell phone calls purporting to show that Moscow invaded before Georgia's offensive against South Ossetia. The recordings released Tuesday, if authentic, will not cut through the fog of the final hours when escalating tensions burst into war. But President Mikhail Saakashvili hopes they will help dispel a dominant narrative that says his country was on the attack. He said they prove Russian tanks and troops entered South Ossetia many hours before Georgia began its offensive against separatist forces.

"Evidence in the form of telephone intercepts and information that we have from numerous eyewitnesses conclusively prove that Russian tanks and armored columns invaded our territory before the conflict began," Saakashvili told reporters.




this is just part of the article link is below if anyone is interested in reading it. while i dont believe everything i read this must have some credibility.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080916/ap_ ... Qcv1ys0NUE