What would you do in this situation????

[Mkim340518]

So this Saturday my fiancé Jen, her cousin Jeremy and his fiancé Amy, Jens step father Angel and Linda Jen's mom where at my building and we were all helping Jeremy and Amy move in right down the hallway from me and Jen.

We took and break and Jen and Amy decided to go around the corner to go to my parents grocery store and get some drinks for us. Mean while the guys and I went outside to check out my car. As I'm showing off and revving my engine I hear Jen run towards me and shout "BABE some guys were trying to beat up your father GET THEM"!!!!

Naturally, I saw red and I was gone! I turned the corner facing my parents store when I saw 4 males running from the front of the store. I gave chase until my father gets a hold of me and tries to hole me back knowing I was in raged, I break his hold and I'm off again.

I look up the street and see Jeremy and Angel running into the back of a house, I follow and hear Jeremy say they're on the roof of the garage.

I sneaked along the side of the garage and peeked around the corner to see four sets of legs dangling from the roof, I ducked back behind the wall and let the guys know where they were. I slowly got underneath the guys legs and I grabbed two sets and stuck their feet underneath my armpits and dropped to my knees and dragged one guy off the roof. As he fell his face came down on the fence that was next to the garage. He tried to turn and swing so, I stepped behind him and put a knee to his back, I grabbed him from the back and took him to the ground. I yelled and commanded him to stay put but, he would not listen to words. As I got up he tried to get up and swing again so, I quickly let my hand do the rest of my talking with one good knock. He still tried to get up so my knee met up with his face and he at once went face down knowing that I was not playing games with him. Angel and I escorted him to my parents store and had him locked inside till the police came. I took off again looking for the others but couldn't locate them. An officer and I started to search again on foot after i gave a thorough description of the others. the officer and I started looking at the space behind a dumpster and saw no one. We walked away from the area but, something told me to look again in the crack beside the wall and the dumpsters and I saw the second individual! As I yelled to the cop the thief took off behind the dumpster and the apartments. I and the officer gave chase and cornered the idiot on top of a fenced in wall. I yelled "Get the FUCK OVER THE WALL" and he says "hey can we just talk about this man come on" and I said " you can talk to the cops". As I say that the officer comes up next to me and sees the individual and commands him to come over the fence the thief says he can't make it and he's going to take another way around. This made the cop put his Glock in the assholes face and magically the idiot can get over the fence. As soon as he step foot on our side both the cop and I put our weight on the ass and slammed the punk to the ground. I put the guys face looking at the ground and put my right knee on the back of his neck and locked his right arm and his left wrist in a joint lock and the officer cuffed him and we stood his ass up and put him into the back of the car.

So, after all of this I go back to the store and the first punk is still in the store but, now in cuffs with five officers in the store around him and about 13-15 squad cars out front (oh by the way my parents are really good friends with the cities dispatchers and many of the high ranking officers). The idiot still runs his mouth and says to me, in front of the cops, "Oh these your parents, Okay, now I know where you live, I got something for you, this ain't over, you gona get yours"! Before I could even say, "Mother Fuc..." An officer stepped in front of me and said, "what the hell you just say??? Did you just threaten him? Ok asshole now your going to jail for that too"!

After we talked to the officers at the scene and talking to my parents. The four guys apparently tried to pawn off a fake twenty to my mom and my mom said that it was a fake and that she couldn't accept the bill but, the guys started to lie and say that they gave my mom a dollar bill not a twenty and that my parents were trying to rob them. After getting loud and cursing at my parents and refusing to leave the store my mom said that she was going to call the cops and told my dad to go out from the bullet proof glass and lock the front door. And that's when the guys tried to jump my dad.


So I got two of the guys and the other two guys are still not in custody I believe but, the guys are all related and they live in the apartments across the street from my parents and I so, I or the cops will catch the rest of them. I know exactly what they look like.


I just got a few scrapes and bruises but, nobody besides the 4 guys were hurt.

My question is what would you have done in this situation? Do you think I went too far? Was I over stepping my boundaries as a citizen?

[Bypah]

Those "mofo's" are lucky ...I would have shoot them all!!!!!!
or at least blown their kneecaps......j/k (The past comment was meant as a joke!!!!!)

What you did is a citizen's arrest plus helped the cops to capture them...just make sure they go in for a while in jail and just in case....prep yourself and your parents with some good firepower....

[Mkim340518]

Those "mofo's" are lucky ...I would have shoot them all!!!!!!
or at least blown their kneecaps......

What you did is a citizen's arrest plus helped the cops to capture them...just make sure they go in for a while in jail and just in case....prep yourself and your parents with some good firepower....

Yeah they are lucky that my dad and I were not carrying our registered weapons that day. My father carries a Ruger SP101 .357/.38 Special revolver and I carry a Sig Sauer 230SL. The Ruger is loaded with .357 Federal Hydra Shocks and I load either .380 Remington Golden Sabers for home and store defense or Remington 9mm Luger FMJ UMC's for outdoor personal protection.

My best home defense weapons are my Mossberg 500 with Mercury compensator and extended mag with Tru-Glo fiber optic sights for true point and shoot capability in low light situations. And my customized Ruger 10/22 Carbine with 10 25round mags pistol grip, fiber optic sights, see-thru Weaver scope mount and a high-power scope...I can't remember is strength or make

I also have a Remington .22 Viper, a light weight, cheap, but accurate too one-hundred yards with iron sights, I can punch holes through the middle of skeets with this 70dollar rifle with no up-grades at all.

So...yeah they are lucky that we were not carrying that day. I wasn't because I was helping Jeremy move into the apartment and my Dad wasn't because he was moving merchandise into the store.

But, I might be lucky as well for not carrying because it could have turned into a completely different situation.

[Bypah]

I see that you're well prepared then,some fine firepower you got...and yes you're lucky you didn't have it at the time because the situation would have escalated to the worse.....

I have a fully functional Walther PPK ,an original from WWII from my late grandpa. .32ACP, 8 rounds, iron sights and plenty of clips and ammo.... It has all its original nazi markings.

[MCIera]

To be as objective as can be reasonably so, and only having your account of the events, one could surmise that you probably didn't overstep any boundaries, otherwise you may have been arrested as well. Using reasonable force to effect an arrest is permissable to both citizens, and law enforcement personnel.

It is always a difficult situation when a victim is emotionally charged and pursues an attacker regardless of whether they are civilian or law enforcement. In the case of emergency responders, there is that short period between the time of receiving the call from their dispatcher and arriving on the scene where they can prepare themselves emotionally. That is not the case where you as a citizen, or even a trained first responder as a citizen, where the need to react is without warning. I am personally aware of two cases of first responders experiencing PTSD issues, in neither case was it specifically related to the work that they were trained for, but rather in off-duty situations where they had to apply their EMS skills and the patients did not survive.

As for the situations with armed victims (again, citizen or off-duty law enforcement) there are potential civil liabilities which I'm sure you were already made aware of as a condition of your firearms registration, but it can also be an impairment to responding officers as they must disarm everyone (even their own) for their own safety. And as you might well imagine, being emotionally charged and having a firearm in your possession at the same time isn't always a good mix, regardless of what you might read in forums.

Also sounds you may have had some law enforcement or martial arts training to effect the level of assistance that you were able to render? Don't tell me that it's from watching Cops

[Mkim340518]

"Also sounds you may have had some law enforcement or martial arts training to effect the level of assistance that you were able to render? Don't tell me that it's from watching Cops"

LOL MCI Era Yes it's all from watching COPS LOL!! Just kidding, I have been formally trained in many areas of self-defense, law enforcement, shooting and so on. So, everything I did was almost automatic for me(thank god). But, the training is a double edged sword. I've been trained to totally put my opponent out of action so, he would never be a factor in that fight, especially in a situation where it was 4 verse 1. My training wasn't really for self-defense but more towards the line of self-preservation meaning I was told to look at every confrontation as a life or death issue and to make every move or strike as efficiently as possible with overwhelming force so it leaves the enemy useless. So, you are also correct in saying that, not having my weapon was one of the best things that could have happened in that situation because the punks were unarmed, although I did not know that going in.

And you are also correct by saying that if I had my weapon, that situation would have had put the officers in a very dangerous situation for themselves because, like you said, they need to make sure that all people involved are disarmed and that process would have taken more time that I did not have to spare because every second meant that the punks were getting that much further from the area.

I also agree that emotions play a huge part in most peoples actions during a panic or emergency situation, but, like I said, my training kicked in as soon as I heard Jen yelling that my father was injured and the punks were running. Without even thinking my feet took off and I was gone and it seemed like I was almost watching a movie because all the motions I made were so automatic that it seemed like my body was not reacting to my commands but, rather to the situation at hand. (which again is a bad and good thing).

So, basically thank God that none of my loved ones were hurt, nobody got killed and justice was served.

I swear that I would still be roaming the streets if I didn't catch those bastards, there's no way I could sleep with that on my mind.

And MCI ERA I was not arrested the detectives and arresting officers actually congratulated me and asked me to join the force..again LOL.

But, I actually took the offer pretty seriously after that...I still have the application they gave me on my desk...should I????Ehh...we'll see

[Mkim340518]

I see that you're well prepared then,some fine firepower you got...and yes you're lucky you didn't have it at the time because the situation would have escalated to the worse.....

I have a fully functional Walther PPK ,an original from WWII from my late grandpa. .32ACP, 8 rounds, iron sights and plenty of clips and ammo.... It has all its original nazi markings.

WOW that's a great gift and piece of history that your grand father gave you. I didn't realize that the Nazi's used Walther PPK's, I always thought their pistol of choice was the famed Luger.

Have you shot the PPK lately? How does it shoot? I heard that they shoot a bit towards 4 o'clock because of the right hand rifling, is that true? I've never been able to handle a authentic WWII Walther so, I got a bunch of questions for you!

And yeah I'm glad that I didn't have my weapon, Like MCIEra and you said
the situation would have been totally different.

[jfko6]

I see that you're well prepared then,some fine firepower you got...and yes you're lucky you didn't have it at the time because the situation would have escalated to the worse.....

I have a fully functional Walther PPK ,an original from WWII from my late grandpa. .32ACP, 8 rounds, iron sights and plenty of clips and ammo.... It has all its original nazi markings.

Bypah:
That's got to be the best post to date. Can you take some photos of grandpa's PPK and upload them. A new post for that might be even better?

JFK

[Az556]

Yeah they are lucky that my dad and I were not carrying our registered weapons that day.

Carry you damn gun, this could have turned out very bad for you. I'm glad it didn't. If more Americans stood up to this kind of naked aggression we would have alot less assholes running around.

Stay safe bro

[Az556]

and yes you're lucky you didn't have it at the time because the situation would have escalated to the worse.....

Not sure I agree with this, he could have easily accomplished this with a holstered firearm, yet still have it if the need arose. Lots of weapons with all kinds of cool wizbang gadgetry don't do you any good if they are not at hand when you need them.

Mindset is #1