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bypah, you do not be bad to housil

as I recall from memory the Japanese camo is camo based on the old German who is the father of Flecktarn (sorry, I forget the exact name now), not in flecktan directly. I now speak from memory, but Japanese camo is older than Flecktarn. if I'm wrong please correct me



housil, for me the best camo for your beloved forests is Flecktarn , followed by British dpm

but the Chinese camo called "tibet" Yes it is a direct copy of Flecktarn



greetings

saladp wrote:bypah, you do not be bad to housil

as I recall from memory the Japanese camo is camo based on the old German who is the father of Flecktarn (sorry, I forget the exact name now), not in flecktan directly. I now speak from memory, but Japanese camo is older than Flecktarn. if I'm wrong please correct me

Germany was the very first country that equiped their troops in camouflaged uniforms. In 1935, Prof. Schick developed the first pattern. The problem was, to print colors on clothing materials and Germany was the first country that found a way to do it.

That pattern:





was called "pea camouflage".
There was an inner, green summer pattern and an outer, more brown autum pattern



In lack of proper materials ("Ersatz...") , the late colors seemed "pink" some times.

I don´t know when Japan introduced that Flecktarn, but German Bundeswehr did in 1988. (under severtal complaints of red party as they recalled it to Waffen SS pattern )

Housil it was the Italians who first introduced camouflage materials in 1929, although initially they used it mostly for tentage, etc. The first official Italian camouflage smock was introduced by them in 1936, quite late.

I have seen pictures of 12 SS in Normandy wearing Italian pattern DPM, thought that was in a Mil magazine I had about 20 years ago.

The very first modern camouflage uniform was introduced in Feb 1915 by the French army designed by artist Louis Guingot.

biscuits brown wrote:Housil it was the Italians who first introduced camouflage materials in 1929, although initially they used it mostly for tentage, etc. The first official Italian camouflage smock was introduced by them in 1936, quite late.

But they didn´t issued complet uniforms to an whole army like the Germans did (to Waffen SS (can´t say this loud over here... ) ).
But you are right, Italy introduced the M29 Telo Mimetico to their troops and that pattern was in use until 1992!
But you are also right, that Italian camo was used by Germans (especiall Army (Wehrmacht) in lack of own camo uniforms. Not like Waffen SS, they had their own stuff and equipment)

biscuits brown wrote: I have seen pictures of 12 SS in Normandy wearing Italian pattern DPM, thought that was in a Mil magazine I had about 20 years ago.

The 12th "Hitlerjugend" was introduce in 1943. A present to the *Fuehrer*. So no evidence of early camouflage

biscuits brown wrote: The very first modern camouflage uniform was introduced in Feb 1915 by the French army

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designed by artist Louis Guingot.

As much as I read, Monsieur Guinot was an painting artist and paintet (!) a pattern an a "jacket" to demonstrate it´s camouflage effect. That was denied by French leaders and I never saw any French WW2 soldier in camouflage uniform.

So I´m back to my first thesis. Germany was the very first country that issued camouflage uniforms to a complet army (Waffen SS) and was the first country that could (industrial) print patterns on webbing.

That knowlage helped German industry a lot after WW2 to come back to business in city´s like "Augsburg", famous for their webbing production.

Very interesting additional information Housil. I could not find the Italian commo. Thanks.

Ha a new thread. I got lost
Thanks for the additional info Housil. Ive always been Interested in early DPMs of all types.

biscuits brown wrote:Ha a new thread. I got lost
Thanks for the additional info Housil. Ive always been Interested in early DPMs of all types.

Ja, I does´t want to get too much off topic at "Japans field kitchens", so I moved it over here.

Do you know this:

http://www.kamouflage.net/

http://www.ww2-camouflage.com/index.php

Nice pages with lots of history about camo

Excellent I never seen those pages before

Good find.

Last month I read a new article.. which had some "new concepts" in camouflage patterns, most being "realcamo (picture like)" or digital.. to replace the Dutch camo (almost the same as british DPM)

And.. there was a german contester aswell.. woodland and desert digital camouflage..
Simply Flecktarn made with an old fashioned printer, haha.. it simply where pixelated Flecktarn patterns and Tropentarn offcourse..

saladp wrote:bypah, you do not be bad to housil

as I recall from memory the Japanese camo is camo based on the old German who is the father of Flecktarn (sorry, I forget the exact name now), not in flecktan directly. I now speak from memory, but Japanese camo is older than Flecktarn. if I'm wrong please correct me



housil, for me the best camo for your beloved forests is Flecktarn , followed by British dpm

but the Chinese camo called "tibet" Yes it is a direct copy of Flecktarn



greetings

The picture which saladp pointed out is not a Japanese but a Chinese.
***.com.cn is a domain in China.
Japanese camouflage is the following pictures.

--- Retouch ---
I made the mistake in reading the text of saladp.
saladp understands that the picture belongs to Chinese.