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hey folks i would like to get everyones opinion. do you think the horrible tragedy that occured on september 11th was done by our government or was it solely done by the islamic terrorists. there are a lot of people on other forums claiming it had to be the government. i disagree with that theory and like your input.

WELL, since you asked......

I think it was done by terrorists with help from our government, so I'm not voting, I think both. I just find there to be too many coincidences and inconsistencies for it to have been terrorists alone. The Pentagon was hit by a plane flying 20' off the ground for 100's of feet, which is apparently quite a skill, one that the trainers who taught the terrorists how to fly said they didn't possess. Building 7. Dick Cheney in control of NORAD. I could go on and on. Alex Jones tells it best. I love living in Austin, they put him on the radio twice a day at least, not to mention he's on public access. If you don't click on any of my other two links, read about Operation Northwoods, you owe it to yourself to be informed.

http://www.infowars.com
http://prisonplanet.tv
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

I think you need to rephrase the poll:

Who downed the twin towers:

a. Islamic terrorists
b. US Govt.
c. Space aliens
d. OJ Simpson
e. George Bush personally
f. Dick Cheney with his New Orleans levee-busting dynamite charges

If you search around the net, I think you'll find equal numbers of nutjobs who believe options B-F. If you want to believe strongly enough, you'll convince yourself of whatever it is you want to believe. There will be enough websites with "proof" to convince you of anything.

Not trying to shut down what might be a fun and inflaming conversation by insulting everyone off the bat, but I just thought I'd put it out there.

After this, we can talk about how the earth is really flat and how we never really landed on the moon. :-)

well kman i dont know where you get your information, but you are wrong. i know for a fact and i have proof that the world is indeed flat. i have a picture of it at home on my wall.

bishopmarine wrote:well kman i dont know where you get your information, but you are wrong. i know for a fact and i have proof that the world is indeed flat. i have a picture of it at home on my wall.

no-no-no-no....

I have evidence that the earth is a round...




...flat disc

Not square shaped like yours

The WTC was destroyed by islamic terrorists.

But it could have been prevented and the US government could have not given Osama's team money years before 9/11.

I think...

You guys no longer need to debate whether the Earth is flat or round...I found a webpage that explains it all:

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/rog ... earth.html

These nutjobs wrote:It is a well-established Biblical fact that the Earth is flat and immobile. Every good Biblical literalist knows the Scriptural passages which demonstrate that the Earth does not move and that its surface is not curved: Daniel 4:10-11, Matthew 4:8, Joshua 10:12, 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalms 93:1 & 96:10 & 104:5, Isaiah 45:18; the list goes on and on.

But far too many lazy Biblical literalists today ignore the plain fact that the Bible also tells us that the flat Earth does not have curved edges. Even the late, great Charles K. Johnson, the valiant fighter for the Truth who carried the message of the earlier Zetetic Astronomers forward into the twentieth and twenty-first centuries by founding the International Flat Earth Society, made the grievous error of assuming that the Earth was shaped like a circular disk. Nothing could be further from the Truth.

(Click the link for more...)

So there!

you're right, the Earth is flat
You can see better on this map: http://www.cosmovisions.com/cartes/VL/081b.htm

Sure the "beardies" did blow down the WTC!
They are for sure evil and crazy enough but I've been very surprised to see they could be efficient at something too
The only point: I guess(hope) the SF/CIA/whatever officer who taught those bastards the difference between a C4 block and a camel shit is not very proud of him now...

All I'm saying is that if you think your government never even thought about attacking it's citizens to keep you in line, you're a fool, and worse you haven't educated yourself properly about what your government is capable of. Operation Northwoods. Period. End of subject. It proves that the government is more than capable of an attack on its own citizens. Or as much in this case they're capable of letting an attack happen. You're telling me the Patriot act is supposed to improve your rights? True it probably won't apply to most citizens, except the fact it suspends habeas corpus, the right to due process, thats F-ING INSANE that no one has a problem with that. It means they can disappear you and not tell anyone about it or give you a trial if they decide to. I know I'm outing myself here as a crazy nutjob as kman calls it, but you can't tell me there's nothing more to it than some guys decided to hijack planes and flew them into buildings. No way. There are so many questions left unanswered...

I'm not saying there's nothing more to it and I'm not saying you're a crazy nutjob. The nutjobs are the ones who decided what they want to believe first and then discard the facts that don't support them while embracing and twisting around any remaining facts into a nice warm, cozy conspiracy theory.

The only issue I have with what you wrote above is this notion about "The Government" as if it's this one single 600 pound Gorilla that sits on a throne that makes all these decisions alone. The government is a collection of bureaucratic organiztions, each one with its own agenda, its own political leanings, and its own never-ending thirst for more power and funding.

When I hear "my government" did this or my government did that, I think of that in terms of policies and decisions that actually made their way through that vast bureaucracy and finally emerged into the light of day as public policy that is implemented. So attacking Afghanistan and removing Saddam Hussein from power is something my government did. Putting out new contracts for MREs is something my government did.

Did my government ever think about attacking its own citizens? Some parts did, sure. As you pointed out, Operation Northwoods shows exactly that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

But don't miss the last part of that web page:

It has been reported that John F. Kennedy personally rejected the Northwoods proposal, but no official record of this exists. The proposal was sent for approval to the Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, but was not implemented. President Kennedy removed General Lyman Lemnitzer as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff shortly afterward, although he became Supreme Allied Commander of NATO in January 1963.

So yes, some part of the government thought about it and some other part rejected (or didn't implement it). This goes on all the time with military planning. Do you really think we *don't* have plans for a First Strike on China/Russia? Just plans...do this first, then that, then that. I'm sure they're sitting in a notebook on a shelf in some bunker somewhere. Our government came up with those plans. But do they really plan on using them?

So yes, at point you're probably thinking "Now who's the nutjob? He's comparing attacking his own citizens with attacking a foreign country." True...that's an extreme example. I'm just saying the government plans for a lot of stuff...some of it makes sense and some of it is despicable. But the point is that they're just plans/contingencies/fantasies from some particular agency until they're actually implemented by "the government".

So yes, I completely believe some parts of the government are "planning" things like that. I just keep hoping that those plans never come to pass.

Did any part of our government have any connection to 911? Did some CIA funding make its way to some guy who knew something or did something or went somewhere that was somehow connected? Probably. And it's probably even money whether this happened on accident or on purpose...or even both. But was there a secret CIA "Operation Tower Drop" where they planned out how to make this attack happen? That part I doubt.