McCain vs. Obama?

Big Galloot · Post by **Big Galloot** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:21 am

The problem is that Obama has no more qualifications than Palin. Is a beginner less of a problem as President than Vice President?

It doesn't matter, they're all just politicians.

Bypah · Post by **Bypah** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:58 pm

bl00k · Post by **bl00k** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:02 pm

Big Galloot wrote:The problem is that Obama has no more qualifications than Palin. Is a beginner less of a problem as President than Vice President?

It doesn't matter, they're all just politicians.

Obama is young, true. But there are certain degrees of how right a person is for the job or how able they are at learning and adapting to new circumstances.

The prospects of a Palin administration are far more frightening, in fact, than those of a Palin Institute for Pediatric Neurosurgery. Ask yourself: how has "elitism" become a bad word in American politics? There is simply no other walk of life in which extraordinary talent and rigorous training are denigrated. We want elite pilots to fly our planes, elite troops to undertake our most critical missions, elite athletes to represent us in competition and elite scientists to devote the most productive years of their lives to curing our diseases. And yet, when it comes time to vest people with even greater responsibilities, we consider it a virtue to shun any and all standards of excellence. When it comes to choosing the people whose thoughts and actions will decide the fates of millions, then we suddenly want someone just like us, someone fit to have a beer with, someone down-to-earth—in fact, almost anyone, provided that he or she doesn't seem too intelligent or well educated.
Source: http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080/page/1

I believe Obama has somewhat better intelectual abilities. Now you might not consider this important, i do. I'd rather not see a person with an average intelligence in the white house (like now). I don't think Obama would change the course of the US drastically but it will be a step in the right direction.

But i guess you could say this about a whole lot of previous (vice-)presidential candidates, that they're not all that smart (even a lot that actually won). But that doesn't make it right.

I find it both crazy and at the same time fascinating that a person like Sarah Palin actually has some credibility in this presidential campaign.

Big Galloot · Post by **Big Galloot** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:08 pm

There is no question that Obama is a smart fellow. Do you believe that is all you need to know?

The problem with American politics is that everything is a battle between diametrically opposed extremes. The abortion question is an example, you can vote either Pro-choice or Pro-life, you can't vote for a candidate that seeks a rational compromise because there isn't any. Candidate not compromise.

Speaking about polarity, you don't need to check the senate roll to know how Obama voted on any issue. He has a perfect liberal voting record. Being that I am a Libertarian(to the right of the Republicans,) you should not be surprised that I would not be all that enthusiastic about the man, no matter how bright he may be.

My only real problem with McCain and Palin, are their unfortunate evangelical Christian tendencies. I got my fill of that from Bush.

The thing that swings me towards McCain is the fact that has shown a capacity for working effectively with liberal democrats, when they were right. Whoever wins the election will be the president of ALL Americans. The problem with Bush is that he is only serving a fraction of the electorate and I am certain that Obama would just pass control to a different minority constituency.

Big Galloot · Post by **Big Galloot** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:09 pm

Oh yeah, and Sarah is HOT!

Stef · Post by **Stef** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:14 am

Bypah, eto oshin khorosho!

bl00k · Post by **bl00k** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:38 am

Big Galloot wrote:There is no question that Obama is a smart fellow. Do you believe that is all you need to know?

The problem with American politics is that everything is a battle between diametrically opposed extremes. The abortion question is an example, you can vote either Pro-choice or Pro-life, you can't vote for a candidate that seeks a rational compromise because there isn't any. Candidate not compromise.

Speaking about polarity, you don't need to check the senate roll to know how Obama voted on any issue. He has a perfect liberal voting record. Being that I am a Libertarian(to the right of the Republicans,) you should not be surprised that I would not be all that enthusiastic about the man, no matter how bright he may be.

My only real problem with McCain and Palin, are their unfortunate evangelical Christian tendencies. I got my fill of that from Bush.

The thing that swings me towards McCain is the fact that has shown a capacity for working effectively with liberal democrats, when they were right. Whoever wins the election will be the president of ALL Americans. The problem with Bush is that he is only serving a fraction of the electorate and I am certain that Obama would just pass control to a different minority constituency.

Fair enough. I sincerely hope McCain lives through the coming four years (and much longer), especially if he's elected.

DangerousDave · Post by **DangerousDave** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:14 pm

Mr. Galloot, I know it's nit-picking, but the whole "Pro Choice" phrase is just a liberal phrase for "Pro-Abortion". On that debate, there can be only one of 2 logical choices. Your Pro-Life, or Pro Abortion. That word "choice" was concocted by the left back in the '80's, and stuck.

aquarius · Post by **aquarius** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:35 pm

And the winner is.... Osama Bin Laden!
Probably the guy is dead a long time, but just like Santaklaus is needed for selling luxury items we can do without, Osama is needed to sell us a war we don't need. After 9/11 Osama's promo team stated that they would drain all the money from the US by luring the Americans into several wars the US could not win.

And from the moment on the US citizens voted Bush for a second term, the US went down the drain -although the proces of infinite debts had begun years before. However Iraq and Afghanistan were the final Money Black Holes.
No one to blame, except yourselfs.
Whoever you will choose now is not important to the rest of the world, because your in the sewer already. The Kaiser has no clothes anymore. It's the end of an era, of an Empire. The Bush Kleptocracy has done its job, and now the maybe Biggest Depression Ever is coming our way. In Holland we have the saying 'if it rains in America, we will get wet too'.)

Don't get me wrong- I hate writing this! I visited the US twice (total 6 weeks) and I loved the country and its people. My wife and I met only lovely, friendly people. We liked the US (Nevada, Arizona, California) even more than our own country!

Let us hope for a better future (Whow, am I negative...!)

bishopmarine · Post by **bishopmarine** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:47 pm

whats the point in hoping for a better future you already said its over. wow i live hear and it dont seem that bad to me. i make pretty good money dont even have a college degree. have good insurance. only real gripe i have is high gas prices, but as the crude keeps going down i have faith gas will follow. i guess i just dont have a defeatist attitude. i have the attitude that we will prevail no matter what. but hey maybe your right maybe it is all over the empire has fallen. i still only have one choice to keep fighting for what i believe in and protecting my family.