Contractor(s) for military M16 and M4 rifles.

DangerousDave · Post by **DangerousDave** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:34 pm

Oh, the subject
I think the Army is working on standardizing the H&K 416. I have'nt looked into it lately. If well maintained, the 16 series is indeed sweet. The Israelis dissed their own Galil's in favor of us darned Americans' M-16 series. Oh, in basic/AIT, my M16A1 was mfg'ed by Harrington and Richardson. Worn out peice of junk, but I still shot EXPERT. One of 6 in my training Company(C-3-1) Sand Hill.

jfko6 · Post by **jfko6** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:38 pm

Dangerous Dave:
Good Answer. I like the way you think.

The MILES gear never worked.

Treesuit · Post by **Treesuit** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:42 am

Yeah,

Come to think of it, most of the Israeli army either has some sort of M-16 variant in it's inventory; not to mention the SAW series, M2, M240, and several Remington sniper rifles. Last time I saw several sniper photos from their Army it was either the old M14's/M21 or a heavy barrel A2 configured competition style with a scope. I guess they figure if it's good enough for us to use it in combat then it could stand up to anything.

I'm not so sure about that adage.

ak70g2 · Post by **ak70g2** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:28 am

Discard the worthless M16/M4, take an AK!

DangerousDave · Post by **DangerousDave** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:55 pm

Now come on ak70g2! Properly trained, an M-4 operator can hit an enemy between the shirt-pockets at 300+ meters with the iron sights. Higly unlikely with an AK 7.62X39. True, the AK tends to be more dependable soaked in mud, but still, proper maintenance for the M4/M16 series is key. Ballistic-wise, the AK is better at close-in 50-150 meter combat only, sort of like the US M1 Carbine.

ak70g2 · Post by **ak70g2** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:32 pm

I don't give a fart. Is an assault rifle, and I want it to work. For precision, I'll take a sniper rifle.

bishopmarine · Post by **bishopmarine** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:49 pm

kind of hard to carry a sniper rifle and assault rifle in combat. i will lay down from 350 yards and put one right on target before anyone knows im there. take out a few people. the ones in my squad doing the same before moving in closer. by the time we are at useful range of the ak most of the fighting is over.

ak70g2 · Post by **ak70g2** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:59 pm

Bravo Mike, take your pick:

HK 417

KAC M110 SASS

or my beloved SVD!

ak70g2 · Post by **ak70g2** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:34 pm

And, especially for our german friends, my latest pick:

DangerousDave · Post by **DangerousDave** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:00 pm

Thats cool, AK, you must be sniper trained. I was just talking about the generality between the M-4/M16 series and the AK-47 series typical Infantryman weapons. No problem here. Keep up the good work, NATO pal.