folks. Theres a special sale on 5 Gal. plastic gas cans at Wally, here on the Oast Coast New war at south Russia
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DangerousDave
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Yea, you're right Bypah. Theres near nothing about the affair in the US media. I'm surprised the Georgians have'nt quit allready. Who cares? Maybe the Israelis' will go ahead and bomb the S@#$% out of Iran now. It's coming, folks. Save up your Spam and gasoline, folks. Theres a special sale on 5 Gal. plastic gas cans at Wally, here on the Oast Coast
folks. Theres a special sale on 5 Gal. plastic gas cans at Wally, here on the Oast Coast Thanks for the images, Housil. Looks like German TV is providing much more coverage than Australian TV.
There's some pretty thoughtful analysis here: http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/
There's some pretty thoughtful analysis here: http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/
Last couple of days I have read a lot of comments and I saw many news items on the Georgian-Russian mini war.
Nowhere I have read the following I would like to share with you:
If an army attacks, it first has to PLAN an attack. Not a General in the world wakes up, picks up the phone and gives the attack orders to his army. No way, because first a plan has to be made. The plan is about logistics, communcations, order of battle, pre-warnings to the troops (where are my soldiers? Uhh.. sorry, but they are on leave today.). Do you really believe the tiny Georgian Army needed 1000 US soldiers for training only???
An army needs a lot of life ammo before it goes to war. The ammo has to be delivered and fuzes have to be set. And what about the food, the petrol for the trucks and tanks, spare batteries for radio's and so on. Communications also have to be tested, and transmitions multiply in the weeks or days before an emminent attack.
Military guys call these "Indications of Attack".
The Russians without a doubt knew about the oncoming attack. The swift and fast way they stroke back, explains that they must have known what was going on and that they were prepared for it! The Russians also had to build up their retalliating attack. They had to take the same measures as the Georgians. And because of that, US intelligence also knew about the actions of both parties, before the war started.
Now it is easy: The US knew about the upcoming events. And if they didn't know, then their intelligence failed bluntly. If the latter really would be the case, the US is unfit to wage wars. But I hardly doubt this...
So, the US was anticipating and still gave the green light for the attack.
As a result of the war, Poland has given permission to install the US anti-rocket shield. Could it be that this was the US main objective? I don't know, but if it was, then it cost a lot of blood of innocent people.
Nowhere I have read the following I would like to share with you:
If an army attacks, it first has to PLAN an attack. Not a General in the world wakes up, picks up the phone and gives the attack orders to his army. No way, because first a plan has to be made. The plan is about logistics, communcations, order of battle, pre-warnings to the troops (where are my soldiers? Uhh.. sorry, but they are on leave today.). Do you really believe the tiny Georgian Army needed 1000 US soldiers for training only???
An army needs a lot of life ammo before it goes to war. The ammo has to be delivered and fuzes have to be set. And what about the food, the petrol for the trucks and tanks, spare batteries for radio's and so on. Communications also have to be tested, and transmitions multiply in the weeks or days before an emminent attack.
Military guys call these "Indications of Attack".
The Russians without a doubt knew about the oncoming attack. The swift and fast way they stroke back, explains that they must have known what was going on and that they were prepared for it! The Russians also had to build up their retalliating attack. They had to take the same measures as the Georgians. And because of that, US intelligence also knew about the actions of both parties, before the war started.
Now it is easy: The US knew about the upcoming events. And if they didn't know, then their intelligence failed bluntly. If the latter really would be the case, the US is unfit to wage wars. But I hardly doubt this...
So, the US was anticipating and still gave the green light for the attack.
As a result of the war, Poland has given permission to install the US anti-rocket shield. Could it be that this was the US main objective? I don't know, but if it was, then it cost a lot of blood of innocent people.
"if you don't read the newspaper, you are uniformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed". (Mark Twain)
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DangerousDave
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Darn, Putin is really threatening another country (this time, a Nato country, Poland). Now that takes seeds. I'm so scared. Looks like the Poles and the Czechs are'nt scared of this short Man. Hey, why is this about Putin anyway? I thought there was some new Presmident of Russia. I forgot what his name was/is. Now we are going to place anti-missile missle systems in Poland, just like Reagan deployed the Pershing II's in West Germany. I's like to do an Olympic type ration contest between us, and them. I'd prefer a Hamburger patty, too some buckwheat groats.
Russia interrupted all cooperation with NATO after the UN resolution about their rape of Georgia and denying human aid to access.
The "old enemy" will rise again. After their new success with the "petro dollars" they want to show "the world" their new strengh and power as a world leading nation with its "iron fist"after the former Sovietunion felt apart.
This is Russian mentality:
What ever you want, just take it. If someone will hinder you, brake him down with violence if necessary until you get what you want. Don´t care about casualties.
THAT´s how they are!!
We can see it here every day...
I hope that the US troops will stay as long as possible over here!
@DangerousDave:
Putins marionette name is Dimiti Medwedew
@aquarius
Remember we had russian troops for 40 years over here?! Also the East German Army called NVA.
They have been "on call" allways!
It´s not like our western armys doing a 9 to 5 job and are off for the weekend.
If they had attacked us Friday at 17:00 (5pm), nobody would notice it until Monday morning ... and they had arrived at France atlantic coast.
East block armys are allways prepared for combat and don´t need such a long term of preparation, reconaissance, support...
The "old enemy" will rise again. After their new success with the "petro dollars" they want to show "the world" their new strengh and power as a world leading nation with its "iron fist"after the former Sovietunion felt apart.
This is Russian mentality:
What ever you want, just take it. If someone will hinder you, brake him down with violence if necessary until you get what you want. Don´t care about casualties.
THAT´s how they are!!
We can see it here every day...
I hope that the US troops will stay as long as possible over here!
@DangerousDave:
Putins marionette name is Dimiti Medwedew
@aquarius
Remember we had russian troops for 40 years over here?! Also the East German Army called NVA.
They have been "on call" allways!
It´s not like our western armys doing a 9 to 5 job and are off for the weekend.
If they had attacked us Friday at 17:00 (5pm), nobody would notice it until Monday morning ... and they had arrived at France atlantic coast.
East block armys are allways prepared for combat and don´t need such a long term of preparation, reconaissance, support...
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DangerousDave
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yea, I know. I've got a few pics from Holle, aiming at Czeckoslavakia, from 1986-87. Of course I can't post them. I believe that was still 11th Armoured Cav. area, watching the East German border at that time. Tremendous radomes, antennae, etc. I liked the Bundeswehr chopper matching the Hind, when I got the tour. What a mess. We busted 2 of their hinds with A-10s on an international incedent during Sep. 1986. The Russians are still living in WW2, regardless of 1989. 
I was in military intelligence from 1978-1980. In 1989 (before the collapse of the Wall) I was in the DDR and later on I visited eastern Germany many times. It was during the times the Russian army was still there.
The Russian Army I saw wasn't any better than our own troops, the contrary. And for sure it needed even more planning before going to war, then any other western army! The Russians even weren't issued maps, so they did not know about where they were staying in the DDR.
BTW: NATO also had hughe radar sites and listening posts, but because our stuff is more sophistacated, the domes were smaller.
Come on guys! Don't take the events as easy as they seem to be. There is a lot of intelligence going on, of course all behind the scenes.
The Russian Army I saw wasn't any better than our own troops, the contrary. And for sure it needed even more planning before going to war, then any other western army! The Russians even weren't issued maps, so they did not know about where they were staying in the DDR.
BTW: NATO also had hughe radar sites and listening posts, but because our stuff is more sophistacated, the domes were smaller.
Come on guys! Don't take the events as easy as they seem to be. There is a lot of intelligence going on, of course all behind the scenes.
"if you don't read the newspaper, you are uniformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed". (Mark Twain)
Actually both Bush and Rice started the war rethoric,specially her threatening the russians if Poland is touched... They don't get that the russians don't respond well to threats and housil is right these armies of the former Soviet bloc are always ready. and yes the petrodollars are helping them a lot, BUT they also have their reserves in billions of US $$ currency ,if they decide to dump them for another currency they can deal a blow to our economy, this was said by analists from different think tanks.DangerousDave wrote:Darn, Putin is really threatening another country (this time, a Nato country, Poland). Now that takes seeds.
Plus, the US knew better of the russian response to positioning of missiles in Poland and "helping " the former soviet satelites. I wonder how Bush would react when the russians start positioning strategic bombers ,and missiles systems back in Cuba...hmmmmmm
The US doesn't need another conflict or proxy war they simply need to deal this with diplomacy not the big stick!!
"Live long and prosper..."
Bypah, you're very right.
Russia, China and some other countries OWN the US via all kind of bonds and other money papers. The US has nothing in return, except that when Russia dumps its dollars, Russia itself will lose also enormous amount of money.
The Russians have still large quantities of oil and other natural resources, more than any other country in the world. The US resources are largely exhausted.
The Russians -if they want- can control a lot of western energy supplies.
And Russia is nearby. A 3 days car drive will bring you almost to Moscow.
Maybe, just maybe, it is not in the interest of Western Europe to make the Russians mad. It could be wiser to negotiate, and not threaten to use the big stick against a country which has a much bigger stick.
NATO's big mouthing should be stopped. If America/the neocons/ Bush c.s. wants to make war, than it should do so, but without us.
All these wars and rumours of war threatens the free exchange of rations, and that is really dangerous for world peace
Russia, China and some other countries OWN the US via all kind of bonds and other money papers. The US has nothing in return, except that when Russia dumps its dollars, Russia itself will lose also enormous amount of money.
The Russians have still large quantities of oil and other natural resources, more than any other country in the world. The US resources are largely exhausted.
The Russians -if they want- can control a lot of western energy supplies.
And Russia is nearby. A 3 days car drive will bring you almost to Moscow.
Maybe, just maybe, it is not in the interest of Western Europe to make the Russians mad. It could be wiser to negotiate, and not threaten to use the big stick against a country which has a much bigger stick.
NATO's big mouthing should be stopped. If America/the neocons/ Bush c.s. wants to make war, than it should do so, but without us.
All these wars and rumours of war threatens the free exchange of rations, and that is really dangerous for world peace
"if you don't read the newspaper, you are uniformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed". (Mark Twain)
