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LUFO thermal electric generator lamp

Post by fieldtest » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:36 am

Just to say hello... :P

My actual plaything for this weekend is the LUFO "petroleum radio". This was made around the year 2000 and was intended to be a cheap lamp and radio for development countries with no proper electrical power. There was a belgian foundation that intended to sell it the same way as the "one laptop per child"-project (buy two and donate one).
The foundation went the same way as the laptop project but from time to time these chinese made lamps appear on the surplus market.

The lamp itself has a length of 40cm, looks like a big Feuerhand-lamp and has an AM/FM-radio in the base and the thermoelectric generator on top.
There should be a bigger version with a cookplate on top but I have never seen it in real life.
Compared to other lamps like Petromax or Feuerhand and such this lamp is really ugly and the material and colors are low end.
But it is funny to light the lamp and to wait about 10min for the radio to start. It has a telescopic antenna for FM and a ferrite for AM but the overall sensitivity of the receiver is not really good. Due to the big speaker the sound of my favoured station is nice and clear.

On the technical aspects:
The thermal electric generator is a solid-state semiconductor device and depends on the difference of temperature between the heater and the outer heat sink. The bigger the difference the bigger is the output voltage. If the lamp gets too hot (does so if one lightens it to bright or puts it in somewhere where the heat cannot be absorbed by a minimum of air) there is a decrease in the output voltage.
I wondered how bad the output power is. With medium light it makes only about 3V/100mA but I think it can be optimized by cooling the heat sink or making more light.
Commercially available thermal generators are not very efficient overall (about 5%) but have a low inner resistance so a standard device has to give 1-2A with a proper temperature gradient. Maybe that is the LUFOs problem, the cooling block gets heated by the flame after a while. Or the device is only a cheap chinese copy of a more sophisticated american generator.

These thermoelectric generators were common in the soviet union for remote beacons and, of course, for spaceships on both sides. The heat then comes from a glowing stick of plutonium and the cold, well, from outside...
The soviets had the most experience with that technology during the 50/60ies. They built some petroleum lamps with a generator to operate a tube radio during the 50ies but I have never seen it on a collectors meeting or somewhere else. But it looks amazing 50ies-like with a simple tube radio besides it.

That´s all for now, back to practical engineering :)
Some links or pictures are available on request.

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Re: LUFO thermal electric generator lamp

Post by Stef » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:56 am

Hi,
fieldtest wrote:The soviets had the most experience with that technology during the 50/60ies. They built some petroleum lamps with a generator to operate a tube radio during the 50ies but I have never seen it on a collectors meeting or somewhere else.
:roll: maybe some of them were sold for 4 or 5 Marks on Friedrichshafen Hamfest flea market during the early 90's, it was full of soviet stuff!

That sounds interesting.
I don't know that technology, only the “traditional” photo voltaic panels or the crank+battery system also used on the distress radio transmitters. If you have more details or a link... :wink:
VY 73,
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Post by fieldtest » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:45 am

In Berlin there weren´t any of these lamps on the russian-markets during the late 80ies/early nineties. A friend of mine in Dresden told me that they have had one sometimes in the sixties but no further information was available.
These lamps were rather seldom, even during their times.

According to "Funkschau" 1962 there was also a lamp from the german manufacturer Grundig but that was only a short note in the new product notes without any picture. Maybe only a project...

The electric priciple bases on the "Seebeck-effect" which is rather similar (but not the same, it´s a slightly different solid-state physics principle) to the "Peltier-effect".
Peltier-boxes are common among campers for cooling purposes but the temperature difference to achieve with these is rather low (about 30K) while the thermoelectric generator performs optimal between 200K and 300K.
But (made simple) both rely on the effect: one side hot - one side cold (and electricity, of course)

I would like to set-up a thermonuclear battery for my mobiles and amateur-stuff but noone sells these plutonium-sticks anymore. :)
What a pity!

73 de Stefan


OK, here are the promised links for further reference:

picture of old russian lamp (text in german):
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/unknown_th ... _3tgk.html

another picture of russian lamp:
http://oldradio.onego.ru/ARTICLES/RADIO/tgk_real_l.htm

common information about the technology:
http://www.thermoelectrics.caltech.edu/

common thread for thermal electric lamps (lampguild.org):
http://www.lampguild.org/QandApage/arch ... 000019.htm

this company sells thermoelectric modules, has nice application information an data sheets for reference:
http://www.hi-z.com/index.php

Another company in russia:
http://www.thermocluster.ru/indexeng.html

Both are the only companies that manufacture and sell these things in low quantities.

Thermoelectric Society (or something like that):
http://www.zts.com/article/201

German company that sells some LUFOs (corresponds in english, too):
http://www.pelam.de/index.php?cPath=28_109

The foundation:
http://www.serras.net/

The UNESCO-Project, some interesting aspects about the LUFO and communication in remote areas:
http://portal.unesco.org/ci/en/files/15 ... pdf/06.pdf
http://portal.unesco.org/ci/en/files/13 ... CMC-US.pdf
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And thats my LUFO (beneath some really pretty lamps)

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Post by kman » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:30 pm

Interesting stuff, fieldtest! I hadn't heard of those types of radios before...or even the electric power generation method. Thanks for adding the pics.

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Post by fieldtest » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:32 am

The principle itself is very old (discovered in the mid-1800) and from time to time some technical implementation comes up. The US-troops tried to use one during WWII but it wasn´t working at all for the power-hungry devices of that time.

Here ist another picture of the thermal generator removed from the lamp.
You can see the generator pile (about 70mm long and 40mm diameter) with the attached heat sink.



The newest development in practical thermalelectrics is a device attached to a cars muffler. In a test it generates enough electricity to charge the battery and the generator can be spared (and that reduces fuel consumption).
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Post by Bypah » Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:05 am

How can i get one of those ??? They look simple yet interesting alternative method of communication..... :D
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Post by fieldtest » Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:55 am

Maybe the thermopile can be attached to a more powerful lamp (Petromax), the heat sink can be better cooled an then there may be enough power to charge the mobile phone. Or with two lamps in a cascade...

These lamps are not regularly available, the project (www.lufo.org) is long gone. But there are at least two shops in Germany that have a small stock.

This shop has english pages and Payment can be done via paypal:
http://www.pelam.de/index.php?cPath=28_109

I bought mine there, too, the transaction was nice and quick.

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