NKPA Rations

[stick4543]

Dont underestimate the brainwashed little buggers gents.

Those brainwashed brains aren't any good on such a small amount of food.

Hmmmmm..Ask any Korean war vet and they will tell you another story a bout those "underfed brainwashed brains" coming to you in a human "banzai style charge".....ask them.
or better yet any surviving WWII vet from the Pacific campaing against underfed japanese troops....
PEACE!!!!

ahh but.... those underfed North Koreans will have one big motivating factor if they decide to cross the line....
there's lots of food down south.

[biscuits brown]

Damn right Stick. Millions of state of the art stockpiled rations, just a few miles south.

[fdsman]

ahh but.... those underfed North Koreans will have one big motivating factor if they decide to cross the line....
there's lots of food down south.

I'd honestly like to North Korea start the second phase of the Korean War. Just to see how long they would last now having no support from the Chinese or the Russians. However I'd hate to see the aftermath of all the North Korean refugees running to the boarder and probably causing an economic collapse like we saw when Germany reunified.

[biscuits brown]

@ fdsman
I suggest you research the NKA and its offensive, numerical and NBC and IRBM capabilities before you assume it will be like the Gulf Wars.
Also bear in mind the ideological and discipline differences between NK and ANY of our foes since the Soviet union.
I really hope you are not being serious about wanting a Korea 2.

Because it would make Korea 1 look like a saturday night bar brawl.

They have a massive and completely uninspected bacterial and chemical capability, which they weaponised decades ago.
They have thousands of SCUD type missiles that can blanket all of SK with chemical and bug nasties.
NK has doubtless developed hundreds of small tactical nukes, again on mobile tactical missiles of the Soviet/NK hybrid copies of the old Honest John and newer Lance type.
NK has probably 50+ nukes in the 60-100 KT range, and they have them on missiles that can easily hit Japan and Guam. They have a missile that can deliver a Hiroshima type nuke to California. I think you live there

And yes NK has excellent and numerous SF, probably of the Spetnaz type in terms of tactical and training philosophy.

tens of millions could die, whoever "wins"

We destroy NK through agressive propaganda, active and large scale air drops of food and luxury goods (to them) to the NK population, encouragement and active support of NK dissidents, the SK intelligence service NOT the U.S infiltrating and creating counter revolutionary groups and cells; and the good old STUXNET worm to trash their centrifuges. Newer STUXNETs are being created to attack command & control, power, water, and telecommunications you can bet on it.

5 years would do it. If they do attack, as a VERY LAST RESORT a highly targeted and selective nuclear strike is the only option. Get it over with.

A similar strategy should be adopted to Iran.

But dont "want" it mate. At the moment, with Obamas policies as they are, we will be caught on the defensive and 10 million will die. A strong and pre emptive forward defence, as Israel uses, and plain language to the Great Leader that provocations will be instantly and powerfully answered.

Just IMHO. Im not having a go at you at all

[Treesuit]

Hey Guys,

I thought we were speculating on what kind of rations the NKPA might have? It seems somebody mentioned earlier that if the regular NKPA troops go over the border they could just take a sack full of canned goods and rice and be content.

[biscuits brown]

TS the point is we know nothing about their ration system for troops.
There are no canned goods or any civvie market that I can see that they could draw on. Obviously the best food would go to the army. but Im saying that some of their forces especially armoured, and assault troops and SF, would probably have modern rations of the Chinese/Russian type, and the rest would have rations similar to the Japanese WW2 forces or the chinese/Vietnamese in the 50s-60s.
They would be content with 1 can of fish and a kilo of rice for a couple days combat, the average NK grunt.

Its the underestimation of the NK army as a whole thats being thrashed out I think.

[fdsman]

@ fdsman
I suggest you research the NKA and its offensive, numerical and NBC and IRBM capabilities before you assume it will be like the Gulf Wars.
Also bear in mind the ideological and discipline differences between NK and ANY of our foes since the Soviet union.
I really hope you are not being serious about wanting a Korea 2.

Because it would make Korea 1 look like a saturday night bar brawl.

They have a massive and completely uninspected bacterial and chemical capability, which they weaponised decades ago.
They have thousands of SCUD type missiles that can blanket all of SK with chemical and bug nasties.
NK has doubtless developed hundreds of small tactical nukes, again on mobile tactical missiles of the Soviet/NK hybrid copies of the old Honest John and newer Lance type.
NK has probably 50+ nukes in the 60-100 KT range, and they have them on missiles that can easily hit Japan and Guam. They have a missile that can deliver a Hiroshima type nuke to California. I think you live there

And yes NK has excellent and numerous SF, probably of the Spetnaz type in terms of tactical and training philosophy.

tens of millions could die, whoever "wins"

We destroy NK through agressive propaganda, active and large scale air drops of food and luxury goods (to them) to the NK population, encouragement and active support of NK dissidents, the SK intelligence service NOT the U.S infiltrating and creating counter revolutionary groups and cells; and the good old STUXNET worm to trash their centrifuges. Newer STUXNETs are being created to attack command & control, power, water, and telecommunications you can bet on it.

5 years would do it. If they do attack, as a VERY LAST RESORT a highly targeted and selective nuclear strike is the only option. Get it over with.

A similar strategy should be adopted to Iran.

But dont "want" it mate. At the moment, with Obamas policies as they are, we will be caught on the defensive and 10 million will die. A strong and pre emptive forward defence, as Israel uses, and plain language to the Great Leader that provocations will be instantly and powerfully answered.

Just IMHO. Im not having a go at you at all

North Korea doesn't have shit. If they did, they would have used it long ago and wouldn't do so much lip flapping before launching off a missile shell. Otherwise they'd actually make an example out of South Korea or Japan. This battle is fought not with actual arms but with talk. They're all idle threats drummed up to make you think they are more powerful than they really are. The sole purpose he has them is to make deals. Threatening to do this and that so he can be fat and happy for another year or so.

A ground war would be quite interesting to watch. Given that the North Koreans have old soviet equipment that's basically falling apart and again do not have the support of the Russians and Chinese, they would last maybe a few days at best. I mean for godsakes, they don't even have the modern rifles the Chinese are using, let alone artillery weaponry and aircraft capable of doing any significant damage. The funny part about the fleet of ships we have over there right now is they would see whatever they might try to launch at us a mile away and blow it to bits before it even gets close to the ship.

If I may be so bold to say, we would be fighting North Korea just as they were in the Korean War

Spetsnaz trained soldiers? I'm sorry but that's bullshit. The only people who are trained like that are Kim's Praetorian guards which probably don't number past 10 and are his personal defense brigade.

Now lets assume he did actually take out California. North Korea would be instantly turned into a pile of impact glass and there would be nothing left. He gains nothing by actually using whatever he may have if he actually has them, and gains everything by threatening to do something to get that so desired food aid.

[Cracker]

So assault rifles and nukes that are designed about 50-70 years ago make you less dead, is that what you are saying?
Old weapons can be just as efficient as new ones. A bullpup is not better then an AK47 and artillery with rightly adjusted time fuzes do exactly the same as proximity fuses.

North Korea invests a LOT in the military (while their own people are starving).
I think that says enough.

I actually do think they have rations, probably from the chinese. For forward operating.
The chinese would even sell their own enemy weapons, as long as they get $$$ for it.

The main forces however will not carry fish and rice, but will be looked after sovjet style. (Fieldkitchen with rice)
I think fish will be rather scarce (hard to keep it from spoiling, unless it's again in the freezing conditions of Korea 1) I think they will have canned meat from Chinese or their own origin, from doubtable quality.

If a war breaks out, be prepared for world war 3.
I'm not saying it has to turn in world war 3, but there is always a chance it will.

[biscuits brown]

That is one serious state of in- denial re the NK capabilities and determination.

The NK perceive weak leadership in the wh at the moment
They are watching how Iran has been allowed to get to threshold nuclear capability without military interference.
NK and Iran are working hand in glove to develop missiles and to weaponise them
Just 3 weeks ago THOUSANDS of unknown centrifuges were deliberately shown to a US Congressman (or Senator?)
There is a change of leadership, the new Great leader wants to show his toughness.
The island incident is new, never have NK attacked SK population areas before, showing a new confidence.
China and Russia would both like to see pro Western power in the area degraded. Sure they would not get involved but they wont help the west either..Japan gettin a few nukes wouldnt break the Chinese heart, lets just say that..

The situation is at is most dangerous since 1953.

[rationtin440]

Thanks for the responses people! No matter what they have for rations, I think the training and brainwashing they receive make the NKPA troops a formidable enemy. Sure they might starve if their ration systems are inadequate, but probably not before we run out of ammo, considering the number of rounds fired per enemy kill in the wars we've fought. Math does not lie.