Russian/Ukrainain rations

[Cracker]

I can't see what politics have to do with military rations
Even if world war 3 would be caused by the russians, that doesn't say anything about their rations

[fdsman]

Well I just gave you a more recent example of why not to trust the Russians compared to your outdated reason to trust the Russians.


But I suppose since they don't want their soldiers getting ill it should be safe for consumption although given the recent dairy shake recall in the US it makes me wonder..

[Cracker]

traces of salmonella/ e.coli mean that the production proces has came into contact wit faeces.
If you find traces, western laws simply make you recall all the products of that batch.

you need quite a large amount of those bacteria to get sick.. (if you don't wash your hands after going to toilet.. then your already carrying a large loaaad of e.coli on your hands..)

I only tell that the russians learned from stalingrad, that isn't outdated. They simply learned that a good foodsupply is nescesary. Like some napoleon era tactics are still being used today in tactical education.. And army that isn't fed well crashes it's moral, get's very weak for deseases like dysentry (diarrhea), etc.. These are simply lessons that were learned in the past.

All is conserved with the same methods as used in the west (that didn't really change the last 100 years..)
Cooking it, .. and sometimes adding some preservatives.. and canning it.

And if you open a can after some years.. it's very clear if it's still good or not.
When bacteria start to build, the growth simply explodes within a few days/weeks.. (and sometimes the cheeseburger can.. haha) leaving a stinking or discoloured mess..

[fdsman]

I suppose then the only thing that is holding me back from trying rations from such countries is the language confusion/fear.


as demonstrated here.





Except in his case it's more ignorance and lack of prior knowledge before making the video that gets him in trouble.

Yes I know, what a waste.

[Cracker]

He could've looked it up prior to opening it..

And I have to agree lack of knowledge what is in a can scares me off aswell, but that's more a luxury problem..
Some countries simply eat different things.. that are quite normal there.. (Europe horse meat, france snails and frogs, asia insects, etc) There is no doubt that it won't make you sick, but you simply don't know what you get..


Scary..

The russians are probably making conserved cat meat to trick unknowing americans, and watching back their reviews on youtube for a good laugh

[fdsman]

[fdsman]

Except Russia has very similar tastes in meats as many other countries do. I see nothing wrong with eating Chicken, Pork and Beef.

However when I review these for my Ration Review show I'll be sure to get translations and cook everything thoroughly.

[Cracker]

"cooking it more thoroughly" will only affect texture they are ment to be heated, the ingredients will get over done and possibly taste even crappier

There are only 2 dangers in rations.. clostridium botulinum, a bacteria that makes a toxic, called botuline that causes botulism (deadly) and staphylococcus aureus (very common bacteria) that causes a toxic, that causes foodpoisoning..

The other common bacteria will die when they reach a certain temperature, eliminating the threat. Stuff like salmonella aren't dangerous in rations (they died, or completely destroid the ration..)

Those 2 that I mentioned make toxics, that don't dissapear by heating. The bacteria die, but the toxics are still there.
So if you open it, and it looks/smells edible, it probably is.. if it's discoloured, stinks of simply tries to crawl out of the can.. you'd probably better forget about eating it..

If a ration is stored with bacteria in them, they will already start growing quite soon, and the ration will not survive untill the expirydate.. The can get's inflated. Canned foods are actually most dangerous when they are fresh from the company (when it still looks and smells nice) or after 10+ years, when botulism has formed (it's a slow bacteria)

Moral of this explaination: If botulism is in there your screwed anyways

(I actually gave a german EPa entree (early 90s) to a friend of me a couple weeks back, that works in a labratory to check it on bacteria, and if it still meets quality demands.. test result was that it was still edible, no traces of botulism, but I'm getting the results soon and I'll post 'm here on the forum)

[housil]

I actually gave a german EPa entree (early 90s) to a friend of me a couple weeks back, that works in a labratory to check it on bacteria, and if it still meets quality demands.. test result was that it was still edible, no traces of botulism, but I'm getting the results soon and I'll post 'm here on the forum

Great idea!!!

I eat 20 years old EPa (old, square shaped) entree´s without any hesitation!

The newers aren´t this old yet to have any experiance about shelf live

[Stef]

Hi,
the bag with "yAN" written was tea in fact: "CHAY"
All this looks perfectly edible to me, send me tha pack!