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LOL

[biscuits brown]

Dont underestimate the brainwashed little buggers gents.

[fdsman]

Dont underestimate the brainwashed little buggers gents.

Those brainwashed brains aren't any good on such a small amount of food.

[Cracker]

You'd be surprised what humans waves of porely fed, porely armed and poor moral soldiers can do.
As long as you have enough of them..

Look at russia in world war 2 for example.

Their tactics were simply to attack with numbers, and overrun enemies.
Who turns back gets shot.. Easy as that.


I still didn't figure out what happend at Stalingrad.

A. The Germans didn't have enough ammo.
B. There were to many Russians.

When they keep coming, you can shoot whatever you want, but at some moment your weapon will overheat or malfunction, or you simply run out of ammo. Even a reload takes to much time if 5000 men are storming your foxhole.

Those North koreans might be small underfed, badly armed little buggers.. but I sure as hell don't want them to be my enemy if I was in a trenchline. A human life is worth nothing to their leaders, so they just don't care if they die. They will keep attacking. And if the chinese would join again (which they won't.. america and europe are their income) they would have a infinite supply of human canonfodder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_wave_attack

You really don't that stuff to happen right infront of your foxhole.

And remember lesson 1 of military tactics:


never ever underestimate your enemy!

A squad can take out a position with 200 men.
A squad can hold a position versus 200 attackers.

It's just a matter of training, experience, tactics, enemy incompetence.. and also, luck.
Most of these cases though, are caused by understimation of the enemy.

[Bypah]

Dont underestimate the brainwashed little buggers gents.

Those brainwashed brains aren't any good on such a small amount of food.

Hmmmmm..Ask any Korean war vet and they will tell you another story a bout those "underfed brainwashed brains" coming to you in a human "banzai style charge".....ask them.
or better yet any surviving WWII vet from the Pacific campaing against underfed japanese troops....
PEACE!!!!

[biscuits brown]

I was going to post some photos of U.S POWs from 1951 but no.

This makes the point "better" if I could use such a dumb word.

33,686 K.I.A
2,830 Non battle deaths
8,176 M.I.A

44,692 U.S service personnel failed to return from Korea, in 35 months of combat.

I say again. Dont underestimate the brainwashed little buggers gents.

[Cracker]

That's just US personel. You forget the Dutch, Canadians, British, Australians, turks, greeks, french, belgians etc.

Both sides had about 1.2 million troops available over the period of the whole war. However, china had vast resources. It was almost an infinite source of cannonfodder.


Military casualties: (Allied side)

South Korea 673 000
United States 33 686
Canada 1558
Great Britain 1078
Australia 339
France 287
Greece 194
Colombia 146
Thailand 136
Ethiopia 122
Netherlands 123
Belgium 106
Philipines 92
New Zealand 31
South africa 20
Luxembourg 2
Turkey 741
Total between 1.271.985 and 1.818.410 deaths. (Including civil)



WW2 Stalingrad

[biscuits brown]

Often there were no "human waves" either.
Just better infiltration and shock tactics.
Man for man, they were often better than Western infantry. Tougher, braver, or more "brainwashed" however you like to put it, and more readily able to acclimatise and use the terrain and harsh conditions.
The poorer the country, the better the human material for the best infantry.

Often also the "hordes" or "human waves" was in the minds of Western war reporters.
As it was said amongst U.S troops at the time, "Just how many hordes are there in a platoon?"

If it all starts again, lord help us. The only thing that will save the peninsula from being overrun will be air power and nukes.
The trouble is "the brainwashed little brains" on their 1500 cals a day have figured out how to make nukes too.
Duhhh!

[Cracker]

Wow.. that's almost copy pasted from wiki.
But still, the chinese and russians did use it. Like in WW2 with all fighting parties. At the start of the war they simply weren't skilled in "modern" warfare.

As many sources say, the mass attacks changed to small pinpoint attacks to make wedges in the lines. After that, they pushed a whole army through the hole to cause havoc. The waves weren't used on regular basis either, the same as WW2 russians. I even think a lot of "training" was given by sovjet veterans / instructors.

Human waves are usually very ineffective, you can ruine your whole reserves with it. BUT in some situations it can be very overwelming. If infantry doesn't get airsupport, artillery support.. they tend to "break" and go AWOL if there are thousands of enemies running screaming towards you. (I Can't blame them) So it doesn't have to be ineffective, as long as you have enough intel on the enemy.

Imagine the terror if you see hordes of PLA / KPA infantry running towards you. I'd probably shit my pants in 12 different colours and cry for my mother in 27 languages.



And about the wave / sovjet tactics:

Germany never fell by Russian tactical superiority.. Germany fell because of a combined source of incompetent leadership, lack of resources (ammo, food, fuel, metal) and the shear mass of sovjet resources (not only humans, but also vehicles, fuel etc)

I think the war would've ended a lot different if the balance between axis and allied forces was equal (including resources).
Germany had a great technological advantage compared to other countries at that time. (They started earlier with designing weapons because they knew what was going to happen).


Moral of the story:

Sheer numers will ALWAYS (eventually) break the enemy. As long as you are able to keep them coming.
Somehow, somewhere, on a certain time the MGs are going to run out of ammo, overheat or jam. Or you just keep shooting and they are still advancing. You can't stop a million asians with 100.000 MG rounds alone.

[biscuits brown]

@ Ted

Have read "The Wages Of Destruction" by Adam Tooze yet? I hope there is a Dutch translation, sure there is.

Its a brilliant analysis of the Nazi war economy, and how amazingly fcuked up (we historians call it "inefficient" ) it was.

I thoroughly recommend it.