interesting video AK 47 vs M16
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:25 am
Pros and cons:
Japanese video test firing of the m16 A1 and AK 74, I really like that sealed ammo tin.
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interesting video AK 47 vs M16
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:27 am
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:08 pm
That first video was pretty cool.
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:50 pm
The AK´s bullet is slower, but has a devastating destruction IF it hit a body 
and a higher penetrating power by it´s higher weight.
If the bullet enters a body, it starts to tumble and making a curve inside (e.g. enters at belly, leaving at sholder)
As the AK was a "stolen" German invention after WW2 by Russia:
it must be good. They are still using the WW2 rear sight
Btw, the word "assault rifle" comes from the German name Sturmgewehr StG44 or MP44 for short
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_44
and a higher penetrating power by it´s higher weight.If the bullet enters a body, it starts to tumble and making a curve inside (e.g. enters at belly, leaving at sholder)
As the AK was a "stolen" German invention after WW2 by Russia:
it must be good. They are still using the WW2 rear sight
Btw, the word "assault rifle" comes from the German name Sturmgewehr StG44 or MP44 for short
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_44
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:34 pm
Nice video of the 'wobbling' AK 47. Note the barrel wobbles AFTER the bullet is gone.
The comparison of the M16A1 and the Ak74 ammunition performance is not very scientific, because it is not clear what kind of ammo the M16 uses, commercial or mil spec. Military 5.56 NATO bullets have steel cores that perform much different from commercial lead bullets. Even the end ballistics performance of the same type and weight bullets but from different manufacturers, can differ a lot.
Bullets do NOT tumble in flesh. The spinning motion of a bullet does its stabilising work only in air, not in a denser medium like water, flesh or ballistic soap/clay. In flesh AK74 bullets can make a 180 degrees turn, pointing the bullets gravital center in front, but never a full 360 degrees tumble.
On the pic you see sectioned military cartridges of 7.9mm Kurzpatrone, M43 Russian, 5.56 NATA and 5.45 Russian.
The other pic shows my favorite sectioned military cartridge: .303 British Mk V. (All items from my own collection.)
The comparison of the M16A1 and the Ak74 ammunition performance is not very scientific, because it is not clear what kind of ammo the M16 uses, commercial or mil spec. Military 5.56 NATO bullets have steel cores that perform much different from commercial lead bullets. Even the end ballistics performance of the same type and weight bullets but from different manufacturers, can differ a lot.
Bullets do NOT tumble in flesh. The spinning motion of a bullet does its stabilising work only in air, not in a denser medium like water, flesh or ballistic soap/clay. In flesh AK74 bullets can make a 180 degrees turn, pointing the bullets gravital center in front, but never a full 360 degrees tumble.
On the pic you see sectioned military cartridges of 7.9mm Kurzpatrone, M43 Russian, 5.56 NATA and 5.45 Russian.
The other pic shows my favorite sectioned military cartridge: .303 British Mk V. (All items from my own collection.)
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:06 pm
aquarius, good point about the barrel wobbling *after* the bullet exits. I was wondering about that myself. It looks like the first shot should be on target but the extra recoil/wobbling of the barrel might cause subsequent shots to be a little more off target.
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:42 pm
Our "problem" is that we have to translate a word two times (German => English => NL) so it can make a different meaning.aquarius wrote:
Bullets do NOT tumble in flesh. The spinning motion of a bullet does its stabilising work only in air, not in a denser medium like water, flesh or ballistic soap/clay. In flesh AK74 bullets can make a 180 degrees turn, pointing the bullets gravital center in front, but never a full 360 degrees tumble.
"Tumble" was not as a 360° flip like a salto mortale, just that the bullet starts to:
stagger
falter
flounder
lurch
reel
stumble
etc...
See that, from my American (Medic School Book) Emergency War Surgery NATO Handbook :
It´s the same you described what I meant
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:49 pm
Housil thanks! You're so very right about the difficulties in translations. Nuances get lost or are interpreted different.
The drawings from your wound ballistics book come from dr. Martin Fackler. He did a lot of research on Wound Ballistics.
Note that the bullet track was made in ballistic gelatine and that the 'wound' track of the 7.62 Russian is about 50 cm! Most human bodies are less thick.
When you look at the sectioned 7.62 Russian bullet, you'll see that the tip of the steel core is oblique. That was delibrately done by the steel wire cutting machine (the core come from one long wire of steel) and it attribute in the behaviour of the bullet, that is the yaw (tumbling).
The drawings from your wound ballistics book come from dr. Martin Fackler. He did a lot of research on Wound Ballistics.
Note that the bullet track was made in ballistic gelatine and that the 'wound' track of the 7.62 Russian is about 50 cm! Most human bodies are less thick.
When you look at the sectioned 7.62 Russian bullet, you'll see that the tip of the steel core is oblique. That was delibrately done by the steel wire cutting machine (the core come from one long wire of steel) and it attribute in the behaviour of the bullet, that is the yaw (tumbling).
Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:12 am
Yeah, for all fans of AKs!
Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:44 am
Oooh, there's no AK with the front handle, you're not a true patriotak70g2 wrote:Yeah, for all fans of AKs!
