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Stocking up

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:23 pm
by kman
Hi guys. I received an email message from someone asking some questions about stocking up on MREs. I just emailed back a long response and thought I'd post my response here to generate some feedback. What do you guys think? Have any other suggestions?

I wrote:
I definitely think it's a good idea to stock up on at least 3 months worth of food. I started doing that sort of thing just before the whole Y2K thing and haven't gotten out of the habit since.

Based on my own experience, here's what I would recommend for MREs per day per person. For adults, I think 2 per day per person would work fine. Of course, if you're doing strenuous work (chopping wood all day, chasing armed gangs away from your house, etc.), you might need more food to keep you going. But let's just say you're hunkering down and staying close to home. So adults, 2 per day. For children, it'd probably depend on your kids, but you might want to consider 1.5 each. So for you and your wife, you'd need 4 MREs per day and for the kids, you'd need 3 total. So that'd be 7 MREs per day for the whole family. Here's how I'd break it down for 3 months:

2 adults, 2 kids
adults - 2 MREs per day each, 4 MREs per day total
kids - 3 MREs per day total

family per day - 7
family per week - 49 (4 cases)
family per month - 217 (54 cases)
family for 3 months - 651 (162 cases - 3.3 pallets)

As you can see, that's a lot of MREs! You're going to need a lot of storage space for 3 pallets of MREs (48 cases per pallet). And then there's the cost. If by some miracle, you could actually find that many MREs for sale and you could get them for the formerly-average price of $40/case. That would be $6,500 worth of MREs.

I think keeping that many MREs around would be a cool idea but it might not be practical. There are other food options available and maybe a better solution would be a combination of things. Here are some other options:

1. MRE entrees - I have a bunch of cases of these. You can buy them individually or in cases of 72. With just the entrees, you could cut back on how many full MREs you eat a day. Maybe just have one MRE for dinner and an entree and something else small for lunch. You could even eat one for breakfast.

2. Mountain House dehydrated food - are you familiar with Mountain House food? This is a good option for stocking up because you can buy either 1, 2, or 4 serving pouches or a #10 can of the stuff. The cans contain 8-12 servings of food and are ideal for families because you can fix as much or as little as you want. Here's a link to Mountain House's website:

http://www.mountainhouse.com/

There are a few places around the Internet where you can get a better deal than retail price on this stuff. You just missed a nice group buy over at ar15.com. Here's a link to my description of it on the mreinfo.com forums:

viewtopic.php?t=187

This is the 3rd Mountain House group buy they've held so there'll probably be another one soon. Just keep an eye on the right forums there (or on the mreinfo.com forums).

3. Civilian entrees from grocery stores - kind of like the MRE entrees, there are lots of those "individual serving" meals at grocery stores by companies like Hormel and Dinty Moore. Just last night, I saw some entrees like Spaghetti, Salisbury Steak, and Chicken and Rice at Wal-Mart for $1.78 each. The "best by" dates are in 2007 so the things should be good for at least 2 years if not more.

4. Canned goods - when I first stocked up for Y2K, I bought a bunch of canned goods (hadn't discovered the joys of MREs yet). Things like beef stew, vegetables, Spaghetti-Os, Ravioli, etc. The kids will love the stuff and after 2-3 years, it's easy to rotate your stock back into your normal eating life.

5. Rice, beans, etc. - the real die-hard survivalists will tell you to skip all the fancy MREs and heavy canned goods and just buy bulk quantities of rice, beans, flour, etc. You can definitely stock up on a ton of food for pretty cheap this way. Just be sure you know how to prepare everything and be sure to grab lots of spices because weeks and weeks of rice and beans can be very boring.

But like I said earlier, maybe a better method of stocking up food would be a combination of the above items. This is kind of how I accidently have things set up myself. I say "accidently" because I never planned it like this - I just started collecting lots of MREs, I have lots of canned food left over, I also have some big bags of rice and beans, and then I have a ton of Mountain House food coming soon.

If you're looking to stock up fast, that might change how you go about all this. Unfortunately, MRE prices on Ebay are *insane* right now. Before the hurricane, cases were going for about $40-$50. Now they're selling for $80+. And as you can tell from the Mountain House site, they're currently out of stock on most of their items. I'm sure it doesn't help that the ar15.com group buy is buying $64,000 worth of food from them.

If you can afford to wait on the MREs and Mountain House food, then you'll save a lot of money when the prices finally come down. Maybe start out with some canned goods, the rice and beans, and/or the entrees from the grocery store. After you get your first closet full of food, you'll look it and think..."whew...I can feed my family for X days now" and that's a good feeling.

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:12 pm
by BackwoodsPundit
Yeah good advice.. I am using combinations of all of those..

You might want to make sure thye know where their water will be coming from too :)

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:30 pm
by kman
Oh yeah, BackwoodsPundit - there's a whole other list of stuff I thought about mentioning but didn't - things like water, heat (for winter), first-aid/medicine, etc. But then it would have been this really huge email that would have taken me the rest of the night to write.

And just as I would have finished, I'd start thinking about Bug-out Bags and the email would never end. :-)

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:00 am
by DIRTYDAVE
I just plan on heading to kman's house and using up some of his stockpile.

So kman, you need to add one more adult and one child to your estimates to take care of your good friend DIRTYDAVE and child. Don't forget, I will bring the three months supply of liquor! So, get me covered there bro!

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:04 am
by donelurkin
LOL!

I'm too far away (Northern California) to join your party, DirtyDave and Kman. But I must say that every time the issue of preparadness comes up out here where we are waiting for the "Big One" somebody invariably says "i'm just coming to your place after it happens." I always tell them (1) be sure to identify themselves from a safe distance and (2) make sure they are not coming empty handed... (you know that DirtyDave will have a case of MREs strapped to his back along with the booze.)

There is a lot of food for thought in your intitial post, kman. Personally, I have not tried to be ready for 3 months. Where does that figure come from? I know that they push 72 hours out here, and I think Katrina taught us that the feds won't be able to help out for a week or so. What contingency are you preparing for?

As an aside, I gave my 9 year old some MRE components tonight. I had just been storing them in the basement, and it occurred to me that I should familiarize the kids with them so they would be ready to eat them when and if the time comes. She took to it nicely--liked the pumpkin pound cake and asked me "how do they keep the crackers from getting stale?" She liked the spiced apples too. I showed her the menu from one of my open cases, and told her to pick out one that sounded good and we could have it for dinner next week. She responded that she wanted an MRE for lunch tomorrow! That's my girl...

I was thinking about starting a thread about kids and MREs--what they like and what they don't. My other kids are very picky eaters ( lots of "white foods" so, unless they are really hungry, they are not likely to eat an entree...)

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:51 am
by kman
donelurkin wrote:
Personally, I have not tried to be ready for 3 months. Where does that figure come from? I know that they push 72 hours out here, and I think Katrina taught us that the feds won't be able to help out for a week or so. What contingency are you preparing for?
That 3 month figure came from the guy who emailed me. I don't actually have an exact figure in my mind. I tend to just stock up on stuff and then try to figure out how long it'll last us.

If I had to pick a number for how long I really needed to have the food last, I'd start at 2 weeks as the lowest number. I chose that because of some really bad ice storms and other natural disasters that have hit Charlotte over the past 20 years. If something really bad hits, I plan on not being able to leave the house for a while. So 2 weeks is a good starting number. But then there are the other things that could happen. I'm not really talking about TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it) but just some other unforeseen disaster that could keep us house-bound. So if I have 2 weeks worth of food, great. If I have a month's worth, even better. If I have three months, yahoo!

Another reason for having more and more food stored up is because you never know when you're going to have company. We have family members who live locally and what are we going to do if they run out of food and come over? Hard to turn your daughter and her husband away. Add two more people to my feeding list and all of a sudden my 3 month supply is a 1.5 month supply.

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:08 am
by kent
hey backwoods and kman, checkout www.mapleleafinc.com they sell number 10 cans with differnt meal packs inside. right now they have the variety breakfast ,lunch and dinner cans on sale at 12.95. Each can has 21 to 30 servings . they sell a variety case for 99.95 but buying the cans on sale now is a better deal. they also have #10 cans of orange drink powder for 9.95
Most folks forget to get drink mixes when they store supplies. water gets bland real fast when your eating bland food like freeze dried mountain house
I just ordered two dinner cans two breakfast cans and two orange drink cans
came to 90.80 shipped :lol:
ps kman have you heard anything about this co? they are in utah

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:58 am
by kman
Hi kent - thanks for the link. I hadn't heard of The Maple Leaf Company before, but as I was browsing their website, under pouched, freeze-dried meals, I saw they're selling the "Backyard Pantry" brand. I couldn't tell if this was their brand, but I've seen this stuff for sale at Dick's Sporting Goods. It looks pretty good.

I'd be interested in hearing what you think when you get the stuff you ordered. It looks like it might be a decent alternative to Mountain House. If can take some pics, send them my way and I'll get them posted!

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:49 pm
by Lifesaver
kman and all,

I ordered some of the variety breakfast, lunch and dinner cans from Maple Leaf. They are every bit as good as Mountain House. They were very fast with their shipping. Everything was well packed. I highly recommend Maple Leaf Inc.

Lifesaver

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:54 pm
by kent
kman, dont have a digital camera i just used up all my jing on a 65 inch hdtv
so cant take any pics. I dont think i will open the cans anyway as i dont want to ruin the shelf life. I might order some foil packs of chili just to try out.
will let you know if i do. also anyone intrested in the variety pack its 99.95 plus 11.90 shipping to my address total 111.85 but there is a seller on ebay
selling that case for 69.99 plus 25.00 shipping for a 94.99 total . you can search-emergency dehrated food storage- and will find it. also the sellers name is( excougars) on ebay. its a buy it now and they have 50 cases so the price wont bid up. :D