The ethics of buying rations

deanopilot · Post by **deanopilot** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:50 pm

Well, if I can't launch into a tirade or drift so far off topic as to be irrelevant, what fun is that? Aside from ethics, can we talk about legality? In response to an earlier post about the "commerical sale prohibited" issue, I replied with the following: "let me ask you three questions...US MRE's indicate that commercial sales are prohibited. Are not US MRE's distributed free in disaster relief operations ('04 hurricanes)? How are the recipients of those rations legally restricted from reselling same? Can you refer to some Federal or State statute the prohibits the sale of government property once that property has been legally placed into the hands of the public?"

I have researched this issue and found no law respecting the sale of MRE's, or other government property for that matter, after they have legitimately found their way into the stream of commerce (e.g. hurricane relief supplies). Once distributed, those MRE's are no longer US Gov't Property. If there is one thing I know, it's that once consumed MRE's are converted to another product. And, the US Gov't is not interested in taking any of your converted product.
deano

Mirage · Post by **Mirage** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:38 am

deanopilot, let me clarify - my comments regarding drifting off-topic, etc. were directed to the person who started this thread. His views were clearly demonstrated to be incorrect by myself and several other people.
I never meant that other people were taking the subject off-topic.

I nailed his final IMP comment earlier today and that is what I was referring to when I said it would be nice if the original topic would be addressed.

You'll note that original poster has never responded to any of this info once he was proven to be wrong, and he is the one who originally took the topic off-tangent with comments on gun control and terrorist policies.

Twobravo · Post by **Twobravo** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:46 pm

Mirage wrote:
You'll note that original poster has never responded to any of this info once he was proven to be wrong, and he is the one who originally took the topic off-tangent with comments on gun control and terrorist policies.

Exactly.

deanopilot · Post by **deanopilot** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:18 pm

clarification understood, my bad. I enjoy the threads on this site whether I am agreeing with all that is said by like-minded individuals, or engaging in good-natured ribbing of those poor misdirected souls with whom I do not agree. It's all good. deano

kellywmj · Post by **kellywmj** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:51 pm

Mirage, I can assure you that the sale of IMPs contravenes about 6 sections in the NDA, it is clearly illegal. Sub unit commanders do not, and have never had the authority to do so. Unused ration are returned to CQ, and are disposed of. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to your experience in these matters. I spent a fair bit of time in the regular army, and never once did I see evidence of any of the activities you describe. As for your point for point disassembly of argument, I remain unconvinced that have achieved your mission.

Twobravo · Post by **Twobravo** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:03 am

Basically, it's a moot point to begin with. I can't speak for anyone else but I will continue to buy IMP's, MRE's and Brit 24 hour rations as I see fit. If the law is clearly stupid and makes no sense, a person shouldn't be afriad to break it. Tell me, what harm could come of people buying surplus rations anyway?

"Whitey the Man" AKA: Mr. Establishment has never been able to oppress me and keep me down.

Mirage · Post by **Mirage** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:17 pm

kellywmj wrote:Mirage, I can assure you that the sale of IMPs contravenes about 6 sections in the NDA, it is clearly illegal. Sub unit commanders do not, and have never had the authority to do so. Unused ration are returned to CQ, and are disposed of. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to your experience in these matters. I spent a fair bit of time in the regular army, and never once did I see evidence of any of the activities you describe.

That doesn't mean these activities do not take place, as I clearly stated these are not officially sanctioned - they do nevertheless take place. If you seriously think I would divulge either my sources, experience or connections in any of these matters you are dreaming.

kellywmj wrote:As for your point for point disassembly of argument, I remain unconvinced that have achieved your mission.

Convincing anyone is immaterial to me and never was my "mission" - I stated the facts. Whether someone chooses to read and accept the facts or not depends on how open they are to receiving factual information. In your case this is obviously nil. So be it. <shrug>

Others here supported or expanded on the info I presented - your experience obviously precludes anything anyone else here has had experience with as related to MREs or other foreigh rations. So perhaps you could detail and enlighten us further with a lengthy, well-thought out dissertation similar to what was already presented? I'd certainly be open to having a point-by-point challenge to what I and others described as rations sources - not just a "most rations are stolen" comment. This will obviously entail you giving facts, not just some personal suppositions. Otherwise the point is moot.

If anyone is so concerned about the sources of army rations, then I would recommend they never ever eat one outside of manouveurs and never come back to the website here as we are all possibly supporting a den of inequity.

Mirage · Post by **Mirage** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:22 pm

Twobravo wrote:Tell me, what harm could come of people buying surplus rations anyway?

twobravo - it's a well-known "fact" that eating "stolen" rations leads to wanting to own a .50cal HMG or driving a Corvette - which will of course lead to some other apocalyptic event.

.... and so it goes ....

Twobravo · Post by **Twobravo** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:04 pm

Mirage wrote:
Twobravo wrote:Tell me, what harm could come of people buying surplus rations anyway?
twobravo - it's a well-known "fact" that eating "stolen" rations leads to wanting to own a .50cal HMG or driving a Corvette - which will of course lead to some other apocalyptic event. .... and so it goes ....

I knew it. I'm calling www.theepicenter.com to order some new MRE stuff. As a matter of fact, I'm supposed to be getting 1 brand new case and a few loose MRE's tonight from a friend in the Army National Guard. How about that?

Mirage · Post by **Mirage** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:58 pm

Twobravo wrote: I knew it. I'm calling www.theepicenter.com to order some new MRE stuff. As a matter of fact, I'm supposed to be getting 1 brand new case and a few loose MRE's tonight from a friend in the Army National Guard. How about that?

<sniff> sorry to lose you - it's quite obvious you've gone over to the Dark Side.

The ethics of buying rations

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