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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:04 am
by housil
It is "dangerous" to take a single word (draft) out of a coherence!!!!

IF he said that a "...draft would spread the wealth...", he didn´t say that he will intent conscription (like WW2 or Vietnam War) again :!:

But yes, a linked source will be helpfull everytime, there are to many "...I heard/read somewhere..." in the internet, causing a lot of unneccesary discussion about rumors... :wink:



Read what he said:
Obama September 15, 2008 :

And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"That’s not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it’s important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some.”






Seriously question:

Can some1 please explain the difference between "draft" and "enlist" to me :?:

We still have conscription over here. They draft every male at age 18-23 for 9 month if your are "healthy enough" (...spread the wealth... :wink: )
After that you are still in reserve untill you are 45.
If they doesn´t want to join the military, they can refuse, but have to do a conscientous objektor service for 9 month in a hospital, nursing home (whiping asses :twisted: ) , handicaped home. (getting ~€400 = $550 a month)
Or 6 years Red Cross (civil protection), volunteer Fire Department...

You can also prolonger up to 12 years military service, making "real money" :wink:

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:04 am
by george94
housil wrote: Can some1 please explain the difference between "draft" and "enlist" to me :?:
A draft(In America atleast) was when if you were capable of joining, you were in. To enlist is like to join yourself.

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:05 am
by kman
george94 wrote:
housil wrote: Can some1 please explain the difference between "draft" and "enlist" to me :?:
A draft(In America atleast) was when if you were capable of joining, you were in. To enlist is like to join yourself.
The "draft" system we had here in the past was a system where every male 18 or older had to register with the government. Then they would hold a random lottery to determine who was required to join based on how many soldiers they needed.

"Enlisting" is signing up voluntarily.

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:02 am
by housil
kman wrote:
george94 wrote:
housil wrote: Can some1 please explain the difference between "draft" and "enlist" to me :?:
A draft(In America atleast) was when if you were capable of joining, you were in. To enlist is like to join yourself.
The "draft" system we had here in the past was a system where every male 18 or older had to register with the government. Then they would hold a random lottery to determine who was required to join based on how many soldiers they needed.

"Enlisting" is signing up voluntarily.
Thx :D

Remember to M*A*S*H, they had a (mess?) tent for Enlisted and for Officers.
Another difference?
Enlisted can become a NCO only?
An Officer is never (called) enlisted?

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:14 am
by MasterOfPuppets
Exactly. although on occasion, enlisted personnel can be granted a "Battlefield Commission" effectively turning them into a commissioned officer.