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New war at south Russia

Post by housil » Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:39 am

Remember a couple of years ago, when giant Sowjetunion felt apart into Russian and many nobody-knows-their-names-countries?

One of it is Georgia (not the US-State!).
Georgia (Georgien) is in the Kaukasus, a goal of German Wehrmacht at WW2 also.
As Georgia wants to join the EU and NATO (Heim ins Reich - German joke only) , you see why Russia is in "trouble" with them.

This morning now starts a "war" between Georgia and "South Ossetia" actualy just a "county".

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Russia started air raids this morning against Georgia and had sent troops to support -Oups- I mean to "protect" them. :wink:

It´s like the the enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend-game.

Also see The Independent:

Tiny rebel region brings Russia and Georgia to brink of war

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Post by kman » Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:40 am

I guess after Chechnya, Russia needed a new place for "target practice" and Georgia and South Ossetia drew the short straw.

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Post by housil » Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:46 am

kman wrote:I guess after Chechnya, Russia needed a new place for "target practice" and Georgia and South Ossetia drew the short straw.

It´s still the Russian way of "rattle sabres" to show "the west" that the old enemy is still over there and ready for conflic. They are still a threat for us!

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Post by Bypah » Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:53 pm

"Lebensraum" mein freund....Sowjetische-Russische lebensraum"....

They want to be the big dog in that part of the world. The same way the US is here in the Americas....

Simple,let them slug it out!!!

As kman said, the russkies just want to do some target practice....lol Maybe test some new equipement or simply use some old ammo.... :lol:

Of course is more than that... :shock:
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Post by fieldtest » Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:41 am

It´s again about oil ... like in WWII.

The germans didn´t intend to use Georgien as "Lebensraum" - even for "the Fuhrer" a little bit far away ;)
But they wanted to extend their oil-supply which was totally dependent on the romanian sources (which quality was in no way comparable to the US sources). Noone thought of arabia these days and the US (the only "oil-nation" during the first half of the century) were to expensive.
Oil was more and more used by the industry during the 1930ies and, of course, for cars and trucks.

Thinking of that I am sure the russians are in Georgien not only for outdoor barbecue and fun but they want to get their hands on the resources.

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Post by aquarius » Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:29 am

There are not much strategic resources in Georgia. However a major oil pipeline runs through the country. This pipeline is outside Russian territory, but the Russians would surely would like to have some control over it, so they are poking around in Georgia.
In fact the Russians don't want South Ossetia to realy join up with North Ossetia as one independant country. If the Russians would grant them to be independant, than Cechenia would claim independance too.
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Post by DangerousDave » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:18 pm

We are following the situation. Doesn't look good. Russia only wants the town of Odessa(or whatever) back? Yea, right. Georgians, Fight on. F*** Putin and his panzie brigade and his sorry lame ass Sukhoi figther-bombers.

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Post by Bypah » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:37 am

lol....those "lame" Su-25 "Frogfoots" and their "pansie" brigades are kicking the heck out of the georgian forces...... :shock:


Odessa Oblast( province)is an strategic port /city in the Ukraine ( not Georgia) facing the Black Sea. It was one of the Soviet Union access to the Black Sea shipping lanes. Today is controlled by Ukraine.Also is a big transportation junction for the region,has oil and chemical processing facilities AND a network of strategic oil pipelines.... :mrgreen:

As I said before this little war is all about geopolitics and we have to let them slug it out and help with diplomacy,not the "big stick " one.... :wink:
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Post by Bypah » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:51 am

Actually the way this conflict is portrayed by the media is showing the russians as the culprits when it was actually started by the georgians.

Saakashvili gambled that they could erradicate the rebels and went for it but they also took some russian peacekeepers in the process and that was the excuse for the russians to enter Georgia. Also he expected the west specially the US to help them.
Plus the majority of the ossetians are of russian background not ethnic georgians.
This situation is similar like Kosovo and the Balkans.

Plus add to that that the russians feel threatened by the influence of the US in their backyard (missile shields,bases,troops) and this is their way of showing to the world their discontent.

The same happened here in the America's in the 60's with the Cuban missile crisis and as recent with Venezuela's dealings with China,Russia and Iran. The only thing is we find other ways to deal with the problem... :wink:

Just in case...I'm just a historian putting things into perspective... :roll:
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Post by aquarius » Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:21 pm

Buran (=Bypah) is right.
Look at the enormous size of Russia and compare it with little Georgia. Then it is clear it is not wise to fight mighty Russia. The Georgians are not like the Afghans. My guess is that they are more 'western style', meaning they can not live on only rocks and stones, use drugs and like suicide bombers.
Hopefully the warring parties come up with some treatise.
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