Ever heard of rations from poorer/3rd world countries?

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Ever heard of rations from poorer/3rd world countries?

Post by Rms2324 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:45 pm

Howdy! Excuse my ignorance but I was wondering if y’all have ever seen/heard of rations from exiled/poor/3rd world countries.

Just some names off the top of my head: North Korea, poorer African countries like Niger, Sudan, etc.

I appreciate the help, I’ve always wondered what their rations would be.

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Re: Ever heard of rations from poorer/3rd world countries?

Post by Kays1968 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:30 pm

To have military rations you must have a military. Many, if not most, of the poorer/"third world" countries are in a state of flux, with unstable governments, civil wars, degraded or nonexistent infrastructures, etc. Many of these countries are relying on their status as a protectorate, using the military might of an overseeing country or multi-member organization. In some cases the "fighting forces" of these unstable countries are rogue groups, poorly-cobbled together bands of of young children and untrained civilians with nothing more than a cause to fight for. When they eat, it is what they find on the move.... bush meat, pillaged crops, and food taken from the larders of the villages they pass through. Unified rations with coordinated disbursement to established military groups don't exist under these conditions.

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Re: Ever heard of rations from poorer/3rd world countries?

Post by Rms2324 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:51 pm

Kays1968 wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:30 pm
To have military rations you must have a military. Many, if not most, of the poorer/"third world" countries are in a state of flux, with unstable governments, civil wars, degraded or nonexistent infrastructures, etc. Many of these countries are relying on their status as a protectorate, using the military might of an overseeing country or multi-member organization. In some cases the "fighting forces" of these unstable countries are rogue groups, poorly-cobbled together bands of of young children and untrained civilians with nothing more than a cause to fight for. When they eat, it is what they find on the move.... bush meat, pillaged crops, and food taken from the larders of the villages they pass through. Unified rations with coordinated disbursement to established military groups don't exist under these conditions.

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Awesome write-up Zed! Exactly the information I was looking for, thank you.
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Re: Ever heard of rations from poorer/3rd world countries?

Post by jfko6 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:04 pm

Rms2324 wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:45 pm
Howdy! Excuse my ignorance but I was wondering if y’all have ever seen/heard of rations from exiled/poor/3rd world countries.

Just some names off the top of my head: North Korea, poorer African countries like Niger, Sudan, etc.

I appreciate the help, I’ve always wondered what their rations would be.

Take care
The height of German military superiority during WWII had a beginning (will give rough but, accurate dating) began around 1880 with the development of the Schlieffen Plan which outlined Wehrmacht military operations which was one large creedo of German military philosophy. It was a document of both defense and offensive military planning. It manifested itself in German military colonialism in South West Africa. The Wehrmacht military campaign was to overrun the Ovaherero/Ovambanderu and Nama to Namibia peoples. It was developed to be a decisive, quick, but falsely manageable military campaign in Africa. These were very dangerous desert regions and grounded German soldiers in pursuit of their enemy. Some German soldiers became legendary heroes. The campaign resulted in many POW's who were also sent to an island prison. Many died of malnutrition. Something had to be done. The German's had rations, but was usually inadequate for themselves and for the Herero POW's. Food and clothing were inadequate. Changes had to be made. Too high of a percentage of the Herero people died. It was a campaign ignited by a complete annihilation of the Herero people as an adequate form of military decisive planning. Those military plans did change though the Officers were under the belief they had authority to do so.

The result was the Germans did not win the region against a less superior Herero people though the Germans had superior soldiers and equipment. The Herero people would live by water sources. Hence, they were not sufficiently developed enough to have a large composite of resources. This was true in other regions such as Ethiopia were nomadic people lived for thousands of years and too rejected Soviet Socialism by force and at great loss. But they didn't care.

Without making the topic unmanageable, the rations were in the German hands and were modified at the time to include "onions" to improve the health of soldiers. The ration component discussed from this period was Zwieback bread which can be found here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11193
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Re: Ever heard of rations from poorer/3rd world countries?

Post by koreyyy1 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:15 pm

jfko6 wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:04 pm
Rms2324 wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:45 pm
Howdy! Excuse my ignorance but I was wondering if y’all have ever seen/heard of rations from exiled/poor/3rd world countries.

Just some names off the top of my head: North Korea, poorer African countries like Niger, Sudan, etc.

I appreciate the help, I’ve always wondered what their rations would be.

Take care
The height of German military superiority during WWII had a beginning (will give rough but, accurate dating) began around 1880 with the development of the Schlieffen Plan which outlined Wehrmacht military operations which was one large creedo of German military philosophy. It was a document of both defense and offensive military planning. It manifested itself in German military colonialism in South West Africa. The Wehrmacht military campaign was to overrun the Ovaherero/Ovambanderu and Nama to Namibia peoples. It was developed to be a decisive, quick, but falsely manageable military campaign in Africa. These were very dangerous desert regions and grounded German soldiers in pursuit of their enemy. Some German soldiers became legendary heroes. The campaign resulted in many POW's who were also sent to an island prison. Many died of malnutrition. Something had to be done. The German's had rations, but was usually inadequate for themselves and for the Herero POW's. Food and clothing were inadequate. Changes had to be made. Too high of a percentage of the Herero people died. It was a campaign ignited by a complete annihilation of the Herero people as an adequate form of military decisive planning. Those military plans did change though the Officers were under the belief they had authority to do so.

The result was the Germans did not win the region against a less superior Herero people though the Germans had superior soldiers and equipment. The Herero people would live by water sources. Hence, they were not sufficiently developed enough to have a large composite of resources. This was true in other regions such as Ethiopia were nomadic people lived for thousands of years and too rejected Soviet Socialism by force and at great loss. But they didn't care.

Without making the topic unmanageable, the rations were in the German hands and were modified at the time to include "onions" to improve the health of soldiers. The ration component discussed from this period was Zwieback bread which can be found here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11193
Im sorry but how in any way is this related to a third world country or one where the people may be on or below the poverty line??
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Re: Ever heard of rations from poorer/3rd world countries?

Post by jfko6 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:33 pm

Because it is a Third World Country. That's what the story was about. South West Africa.

Come on now. It was not read properly. You even highlighted it!

The more I read this, you're making me worried.

We have to work on some reading comprehension. Really. WTF.
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Re: Ever heard of rations from poorer/3rd world countries?

Post by Rms2324 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:45 pm

jfko6 wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:33 pm
Because it is a Third World Country. That's what the story was about. South West Africa.

Come on now. It was not read properly. You even highlighted it!

The more I read this, you're making me worried.

We have to work on some reading comprehension. Really. WTF.
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Re: Ever heard of rations from poorer/3rd world countries?

Post by carlosflar » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:00 pm

You need to understand that as a rule of thumb, rations are expensive food, and thats the main reason why third world countries may not use them or not have them.

In many cases, they have rations or equivalent but they are rarely used, think of rations as eating out, its more costly but its convenient, if you can spend more resources you will do it more often, thats why its common to see the rations from first world countries, they will use them when their armies do operations and training, which they can do more often than third world countries.
There is also an approach to rations that is taken diferently in some countries or others... some countries will use rations during training and maneuvers very sparingly, which leads to a lot of those rations going out in the market, a example is the US, germany or spain, where their soldiers often eat rations, on the other hand, some countries will preffer a diferent approach and will install field kitchens more often like the italian army, i talked with italian soldiers on several ocations that were participating in the ''operazione strade sicure'' where the army reinforced the police in certain cities and those militars would stay on the street for the whole day and where not issued rations, they would have a group of soldiers running arround delivering food to them, field kitchens are cheaper to use, provide equal or higher quality food but are less convenient and some countries, more frequently third world will either have ''runners'' carrying food to where the soldiers are...

Since third world countries will use field kitchens or other alternatives when training and will train less because of lack of resources and because producing rations is more expensive than normal chow, some third world countries will produce small quantities of rations that are issued only when particularly needed and thats why we dont find them in the market, some countries will simply produce them on demand from commercial products in a style similar to a lunchbag
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Re: Ever heard of rations from poorer/3rd world countries?

Post by kyuzoaoi » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:33 pm

I swore I saw an Angolan ration in the forum.

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Re: Ever heard of rations from poorer/3rd world countries?

Post by OtisRNeedleman » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:21 pm

jfko6 wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:04 pm
Rms2324 wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:45 pm
Howdy! Excuse my ignorance but I was wondering if y’all have ever seen/heard of rations from exiled/poor/3rd world countries.

Just some names off the top of my head: North Korea, poorer African countries like Niger, Sudan, etc.

I appreciate the help, I’ve always wondered what their rations would be.

Take care
The height of German military superiority during WWII had a beginning (will give rough but, accurate dating) began around 1880 with the development of the Schlieffen Plan which outlined Wehrmacht military operations which was one large creedo of German military philosophy. It was a document of both defense and offensive military planning. It manifested itself in German military colonialism in South West Africa. The Wehrmacht military campaign was to overrun the Ovaherero/Ovambanderu and Nama to Namibia peoples. It was developed to be a decisive, quick, but falsely manageable military campaign in Africa. These were very dangerous desert regions and grounded German soldiers in pursuit of their enemy. Some German soldiers became legendary heroes. The campaign resulted in many POW's who were also sent to an island prison. Many died of malnutrition. Something had to be done. The German's had rations, but was usually inadequate for themselves and for the Herero POW's. Food and clothing were inadequate. Changes had to be made. Too high of a percentage of the Herero people died. It was a campaign ignited by a complete annihilation of the Herero people as an adequate form of military decisive planning. Those military plans did change though the Officers were under the belief they had authority to do so.

The result was the Germans did not win the region against a less superior Herero people though the Germans had superior soldiers and equipment. The Herero people would live by water sources. Hence, they were not sufficiently developed enough to have a large composite of resources. This was true in other regions such as Ethiopia were nomadic people lived for thousands of years and too rejected Soviet Socialism by force and at great loss. But they didn't care.

Without making the topic unmanageable, the rations were in the German hands and were modified at the time to include "onions" to improve the health of soldiers. The ration component discussed from this period was Zwieback bread which can be found here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11193
This is rather difficult to understand.

First, the Schliffen Plan was for the German Army's use during World War I, not World War II. This plan had nothing at all to do with Africa. This plan was solely for use in Europe, against Russia and France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlieffen_Plan

Second, the Wehrmacht of World War II operated only in North Africa. They never operated in South West Africa.

Looking at this, am not sure what you mean regarding the Hereros in World War I, especially sending them as POWs to an island prison. Drift I get from this was that the Germans had to stay fairly mobile. Only World War I German hero I can think of out of the African theater was Lettow-Vorbeck. You are indeed correct about the African population suffering in various ways, but here everything I see points to the Allies as the perpetrators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_t ... orld_War_I

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